Will Virtual PC run in Leopard?

Jonathan Coulter · Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 1

I am currently using a dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 under Mac OS X version
10.4.10, and have no problems with Virtual PC 7.0.3. When I upgrade
to Leopard, will Virtual PC still work? I cannot find any discussion
on this topic. I believe that there will not be an Intel version of
Virtual PC, as other options (i.e. Bootcamp) exist. Anyone heard
anything? My ability to use Windows XP is pretty important, and I do
not intend to purchase an Intel Mac (yet). Thanks!

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Steve Jain · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 835

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 07:54:55 -0700, Jonathan Coulter
wrote:

>I am currently using a dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 under Mac OS X version
>10.4.10, and have no problems with Virtual PC 7.0.3. When I upgrade
>to Leopard, will Virtual PC still work? I cannot find any discussion
>on this topic. I believe that there will not be an Intel version of
>Virtual PC, as other options (i.e. Bootcamp) exist. Anyone heard
>anything? My ability to use Windows XP is pretty important, and I do
>not intend to purchase an Intel Mac (yet). Thanks!

VPC has been ended by MS. It's unknown if another update for Leopard
will be issued, but don't count on it.

Historically, every Mac OS update has broken something in VPC.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
I do not work for Microsoft.

Fred Horvat · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 69

I agree that every release of OSX normally has broken something in VPC.
We'll all find out in a week what happens to VPC. I also have iEmulator and
Open OSX for emulation but VPC is the most polished and has the best
performance. I hope that VPC does work under OSX 10.5 as I have a lot of
production Windows environments setup under VPC. If not then a dual boot
system between 10.4 and 10.5 is in order. That is if the file systems don't
change drastically like between 10.3 and 10.4.

On 10/21/07 2:37 PM, in article 627nh3pi0hhj95kk3sn25iubtp9u8naoik@4ax.com,
"Steve Jain" wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 07:54:55 -0700, Jonathan Coulter
> wrote:
>
>> I am currently using a dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 under Mac OS X version
>> 10.4.10, and have no problems with Virtual PC 7.0.3. When I upgrade
>> to Leopard, will Virtual PC still work? I cannot find any discussion
>> on this topic. I believe that there will not be an Intel version of
>> Virtual PC, as other options (i.e. Bootcamp) exist. Anyone heard
>> anything? My ability to use Windows XP is pretty important, and I do
>> not intend to purchase an Intel Mac (yet). Thanks!
>
> VPC has been ended by MS. It's unknown if another update for Leopard
> will be issued, but don't count on it.
>
> Historically, every Mac OS update has broken something in VPC.

Mario Been · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 7

This is not a real solution to the problem is it? Wait until Leopard is
there and see what happens. How long is the Beta there so Microsoft has had
opportunity to test VPC under Leopard?

It's an easy solution Microsoft always makes no longer to support a product.
Now they have to wait until all powerpc users are finally using the newer
intel chipset so nobody worries about it at all.

I purchased VPC last year and feel lost now. No more support or updates but
I paid the full price. How is microsoft going to compensate us?

The solution to all those feeling lost too is that more and more can be done
under Mac OS X itself. Instead of turning to Virtual PC we should turn to
our very own Mac. We do not have to use Microsoft software any longer to get
something done. Search the Apple Downloads page for what you need to do and
download an appointed program. And say farewell to Microsoft foregood!

On 10/22/07 12:36 AM, in article C3414CCA.204F%fmh@copper.net, "Fred Horvat"
wrote:

> I agree that every release of OSX normally has broken something in VPC.
> We'll all find out in a week what happens to VPC. I also have iEmulator and
> Open OSX for emulation but VPC is the most polished and has the best
> performance. I hope that VPC does work under OSX 10.5 as I have a lot of
> production Windows environments setup under VPC. If not then a dual boot
> system between 10.4 and 10.5 is in order. That is if the file systems don't
> change drastically like between 10.3 and 10.4.
>
>
> On 10/21/07 2:37 PM, in article 627nh3pi0hhj95kk3sn25iubtp9u8naoik@4ax.com,
> "Steve Jain" wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 07:54:55 -0700, Jonathan Coulter
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am currently using a dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 under Mac OS X version
>>> 10.4.10, and have no problems with Virtual PC 7.0.3. When I upgrade
>>> to Leopard, will Virtual PC still work? I cannot find any discussion
>>> on this topic. I believe that there will not be an Intel version of
>>> Virtual PC, as other options (i.e. Bootcamp) exist. Anyone heard
>>> anything? My ability to use Windows XP is pretty important, and I do
>>> not intend to purchase an Intel Mac (yet). Thanks!
>>
>> VPC has been ended by MS. It's unknown if another update for Leopard
>> will be issued, but don't count on it.
>>
>> Historically, every Mac OS update has broken something in VPC.
>

Fred Horvat · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 69

Well unfortunately for me there are a few apps that are Windows only. Not
many but a few that there are no other options for. Then there is a few Web
Sites that are IE for Windows only like Microsoft's own Business Partner
Site. It states that it is IE only and not just Windows as I have tried
under OSX, Windows, and Linux and all say the same thing. Only Windows and
IE allows me in. So until the rest of the world recognizes Macs then we
have the crutch of Virtualization.

Having said that though I will always be using virtualization on my Macs and
Windows machines. For me it is a wonderful tool. It allows me to test apps
and Operating systems without having to have all the extra machines like in
the past. Just too bad I can not virtualize OSX legally yet if ever.

On 10/22/07 7:27 AM, in article C34255AC.B2C%mbeen@kpnplanet.nl, "Mario
Been" wrote:

> This is not a real solution to the problem is it? Wait until Leopard is
> there and see what happens. How long is the Beta there so Microsoft has had
> opportunity to test VPC under Leopard?
>
> It's an easy solution Microsoft always makes no longer to support a product.
> Now they have to wait until all powerpc users are finally using the newer
> intel chipset so nobody worries about it at all.
>
> I purchased VPC last year and feel lost now. No more support or updates but
> I paid the full price. How is microsoft going to compensate us?
>
> The solution to all those feeling lost too is that more and more can be done
> under Mac OS X itself. Instead of turning to Virtual PC we should turn to
> our very own Mac. We do not have to use Microsoft software any longer to get
> something done. Search the Apple Downloads page for what you need to do and
> download an appointed program. And say farewell to Microsoft foregood!
>
>
>
> On 10/22/07 12:36 AM, in article C3414CCA.204F%fmh@copper.net, "Fred Horvat"
> wrote:
>
>> I agree that every release of OSX normally has broken something in VPC.
>> We'll all find out in a week what happens to VPC. I also have iEmulator and
>> Open OSX for emulation but VPC is the most polished and has the best
>> performance. I hope that VPC does work under OSX 10.5 as I have a lot of
>> production Windows environments setup under VPC. If not then a dual boot
>> system between 10.4 and 10.5 is in order. That is if the file systems don't
>> change drastically like between 10.3 and 10.4.
>>
>>
>> On 10/21/07 2:37 PM, in article 627nh3pi0hhj95kk3sn25iubtp9u8naoik@4ax.com,
>> "Steve Jain" wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 07:54:55 -0700, Jonathan Coulter
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am currently using a dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 under Mac OS X version
>>>> 10.4.10, and have no problems with Virtual PC 7.0.3. When I upgrade
>>>> to Leopard, will Virtual PC still work? I cannot find any discussion
>>>> on this topic. I believe that there will not be an Intel version of
>>>> Virtual PC, as other options (i.e. Bootcamp) exist. Anyone heard
>>>> anything? My ability to use Windows XP is pretty important, and I do
>>>> not intend to purchase an Intel Mac (yet). Thanks!
>>>
>>> VPC has been ended by MS. It's unknown if another update for Leopard
>>> will be issued, but don't count on it.
>>>
>>> Historically, every Mac OS update has broken something in VPC.
>>
>

Mac G · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 60

In article ,
Mario Been wrote:

> I purchased VPC last year and feel lost now. No more support or updates but
> I paid the full price. How is microsoft going to compensate us?

Why should you feel lost, assuming VPC does the job you bought it for?

If Leopard breaks VPC/Win I suggest you not use Leopard until you move
to an Intel Mac.
Then keep your PPC Mac for overlap with your future Intel Mac and then
look very closely at Parallels for Win support. < Smile

Mac G · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 60

In article , Fred Horvat
wrote:

> Then there is/are a few Web
> Sites that are IE for Windows only like Microsoft's own Business Partner
> Site. It states that it is IE only and not just Windows as I have tried
> under OSX, Windows, and Linux and all say the same thing. Only Windows and
> IE allows me in. So until the rest of the world recognizes Macs then we
> have the crutch of Virtualization.

Some approaches you could try to get into those IE only sites.

1. VPC/WinXP Pro with Windows Explorer 7 works for sure.

2. Safari 3 on MacOS X and Win, fake your identity as IE 6.
Debug > User Agent > select MSIE 6.
I tried Safari 3 faked as MSIE 6 and successfully got through to the MS
security download site, which normally stops Macs.

3. iCab on MacOS X, set identity to View > Default Identity.

Richard Cardona · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 108

Mario Been wrote:
> But even worse, with a Beta already available for a year, nobody seems to
> have an answer to the fact "does Virtual PC run in Leopard". So the users
> can make the decision themselves if they transfer to leopard. Doesn't the
> Mac Business Unit from Microsoft work? What do they do there, only eating
> Apples or testing and improving their software?

Supposedly they work on Office 2008 basics, breaking compatibility like
dropping VBasic, instead of providing parity with Access, Outlook,
Project, etal.

Steve Jain · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 835

On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:54:43 +0200, Mario Been
wrote:

>Moving to an Intel Mac is not an option for me. As I do regret the fact that
>Apple changed to this PC chipset and the price is not low....
>And looked upon the fact that, seen from the present System Requirements,
>Leopard will be the final OS X that runs on PPC Macs I like to keep it that
>way. Just a pity that for this final system Microsoft halts all support.
>
>But even worse, with a Beta already available for a year, nobody seems to
>have an answer to the fact "does Virtual PC run in Leopard". So the users
>can make the decision themselves if they transfer to leopard. Doesn't the
>Mac Business Unit from Microsoft work? What do they do there, only eating
>Apples or testing and improving their software?
>

VPC was discontinued long before Leopard was in the mix.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
I do not work for Microsoft.

Steve Jain · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 835

On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:18:56 +0200, Mario Been
wrote:

>That's irrelevant in the question posted: Will Virtual PC run in Leopard?
>
It is relevant to the fact the the product is no longer supported by
Microsoft.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
I do not work for Microsoft.

Mario Been · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 7

Moving to an Intel Mac is not an option for me. As I do regret the fact that
Apple changed to this PC chipset and the price is not low....
And looked upon the fact that, seen from the present System Requirements,
Leopard will be the final OS X that runs on PPC Macs I like to keep it that
way. Just a pity that for this final system Microsoft halts all support.

But even worse, with a Beta already available for a year, nobody seems to
have an answer to the fact "does Virtual PC run in Leopard". So the users
can make the decision themselves if they transfer to leopard. Doesn't the
Mac Business Unit from Microsoft work? What do they do there, only eating
Apples or testing and improving their software?

On 10/23/07 1:44 AM, in article
tomacguy-628181.16440922102007@news.telus.net, "Mac G"
wrote:

> In article ,
> Mario Been wrote:
>
>> I purchased VPC last year and feel lost now. No more support or updates but
>> I paid the full price. How is microsoft going to compensate us?
>
> Why should you feel lost, assuming VPC does the job you bought it for?
>
> If Leopard breaks VPC/Win I suggest you not use Leopard until you move
> to an Intel Mac.
> Then keep your PPC Mac for overlap with your future Intel Mac and then
> look very closely at Parallels for Win support. < Smile

Fred Horvat · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 69

I guess we'll find out in this forum in a few days when a few of us get 10.5
and try VPC out.

On 10/23/07 3:38 PM, in article ddjsh3h52buitaob4624m53oven86encdo@4ax.com,
"Steve Jain" wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:18:56 +0200, Mario Been
> wrote:
>
>> That's irrelevant in the question posted: Will Virtual PC run in Leopard?
>>
> It is relevant to the fact the the product is no longer supported by
> Microsoft.

Mario Been · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 7

That's irrelevant in the question posted: Will Virtual PC run in Leopard?

On 10/23/07 8:54 PM, in article tpgsh354kkifeg2aiqv9i4qgc4lq49cldi@4ax.com,
"Steve Jain" wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:54:43 +0200, Mario Been
> wrote:
>
>> Moving to an Intel Mac is not an option for me. As I do regret the fact that
>> Apple changed to this PC chipset and the price is not low....
>> And looked upon the fact that, seen from the present System Requirements,
>> Leopard will be the final OS X that runs on PPC Macs I like to keep it that
>> way. Just a pity that for this final system Microsoft halts all support.
>>
>> But even worse, with a Beta already available for a year, nobody seems to
>> have an answer to the fact "does Virtual PC run in Leopard". So the users
>> can make the decision themselves if they transfer to leopard. Doesn't the
>> Mac Business Unit from Microsoft work? What do they do there, only eating
>> Apples or testing and improving their software?
>>
>
> VPC was discontinued long before Leopard was in the mix.

Barry Margolin · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 186

In article ,
Steve Jain wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:18:56 +0200, Mario Been
> wrote:
>
> >That's irrelevant in the question posted: Will Virtual PC run in Leopard?
> >
> It is relevant to the fact the the product is no longer supported by
> Microsoft.

Is that really true? There's a difference between working on new
features and fixing bugs and making minor compatibility changes.
Obviously, porting VPC to Intel Macs would have been a major project,
and it's understandable why they didn't bother (especially since there's
heavy competition in that market: Boot Camp, Parallels, and CrossOver).
But supporting a new OS X release on PPC Macs shouldn't be as much work,
and we don't have any other alternative.

--
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group ***

Mac G · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 60

In article ,
Mario Been wrote:

> Moving to an Intel Mac is not an option for me. As I do regret the fact that
> Apple changed to this PC chipset and the price is not low....
I regret it to, but I appreciate Apple had to do it.
Both Motorola and IBM were not keeping the PPC up to the PC industry
performance. Apple's PPC volumes were too low to support the
development expense.

> And looked upon the fact that, seen from the present System Requirements,
> Leopard will be the final OS X that runs on PPC Macs I like to keep it that
> way.
I haven't seen that, but I wouldn't be surprised. Leopard will probably
have a long life, after all what more can they put into it?

>Just a pity that for this final system Microsoft halts all support.
For VPC I assume you are referring to.
Actually the Intel Macs, then BootCamp and Parallels killed any
further Mac VPC development by M$. They would have been dumb to
continue VPC development with such strong competition.

Mac users may see Leopard functions the PPC can't use, so many Mac PPC
users may stay with Tiger anyway.
>
> But even worse, with a Beta already available for a year, nobody seems to
> have an answer to the fact "does Virtual PC run in Leopard". So the users
> can make the decision themselves if they transfer to leopard. Doesn't the
> Mac Business Unit from Microsoft work? What do they do there, only eating
> Apples or testing and improving their software?
I would expect another Mac Office soon. It must be difficult to think
of new functions to tempt us. Of course they could always update Office
2004 so Leopard breaks it- perhaps they have done that already. < Smile