Windows 98 on Virtual PC

Colin Barnhorst · Joined: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 758

Windows 98 should run. It isn't supported but that just means help from MS,
not whether or not it will run. There are many Win98SE offerings on eBay.
Don't buy an upgrade edition. You won't be able to install it without an
earlier version to upgrade. Buy what's called a full edition.

"Sally Thompson" wrote in message @news.individual.net...
> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:00:39 +0000, Mac G wrote
> (in article ):
>
>> In article ,
>> Sally Thompson wrote:
>>
>>> I have Virtual PC 7.0.3 on my iMac G5 (PPC) running OS X 10.4.11, and I
>>> run
>>> Windows XP Professional within VPC.
>>>
>>> I have a language CD that I used to run on a Windows PC which needs
>>> Windows
>>> 95, 98 or NT 4.0. I uninstalled it from the old PC some time ago when I
>>> sold
>>> it, and have recently tried to install it on this version of XP but
>>> without
>>> success.
>>>
>>> Can I install Windows 98 SE on my VPC in addition to XP?
>
>>
>> I don't see a supported Win98 solution for you on the G5 and Tiger X.4.
>> Win98 is supported on Parallels, but you need an Intel Mac to run
>> Parallels.
>> VPC 6 supports Windows 98, but it doesn't run on the G5 and probably
>> won't run on Tiger.
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/827904
>> Of course you could always give VPC7 & Win98 a try, the FAQ below says
>> there may be some limitations.
>>
>> A good VPC7 FAQ:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/virtualpc/using.aspx?pid=usingvirtu
>> alpc&type=howto&article=/mac/library/how_to_articles/virtualpc/vpc_top10q
>> uestions.xml
>
> Thanks so much for the quick reply. Yes, I can see now by reading those
> particular links that I can't run Windows 98 on VPC 7, and I can't install
> an
> earlier version of VPC on the G5. Up the creek without the proverbial
> paddle, in other words!
>
> I will go off and ponder another solution - but thanks for putting me
> straight.
>
> --
> Sally in Shropshire, UK
>
>

Archived from group: microsoft>public>mac>virtualpc

Colin Barnhorst · Joined: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 758

Thanks.

"Helpful Harry" wrote in message %helpful_harry@nom.de.plume.com...
> In article , "Colin
> Barnhorst" wrote:
>
>> Windows 98 should run. It isn't supported but that just means help from
>> MS,
>> not whether or not it will run. There are many Win98SE offerings on
>> eBay.
>> Don't buy an upgrade edition. You won't be able to install it without an
>> earlier version to upgrade. Buy what's called a full edition.
>
> Unfortunately the original message had a bit that was snipped by
> someone else before you replied. It said:
>
> I am a bit hesitant about buying such software on eBay since
> I can't be sure it is legit, and cannot find such an old OS
> anywhere else. I am in the UK.
>
>
> Any good PC repair centre should still have copies of Windows 98 (for
> re-install purposes), but they may not be able to legally sell it to
> anyone.
>
> BUT,
> the original person may not need Windows 98 at all. There is the
> occasional piece of software that doesn't like Windows XP, but many can
> be "persuaded" to run.
>
> I haven't tried it on anything myself, but you could try the following
> process to coax the "language CD" into working with XP.
>
> 1. Insert game CD and close the autoplay window when it pops up.
> 2. Use Windows Explorer to expand the CD and find the install icon.
> 3. Right-click on the installation icon (Setup.exe) and select
> Properties.
> 4. Click on the "Compatibility" tab at the top of your new Properties
> window.
> 5. Check the box and select "Windows 98/Me" from the pull-down menu.
> 6. Install the software like you normally would.
> 7. Once installed, repeat from step 3...only this time use Windows
> Explorer to search for the software launch icon and change the
> compatibility there, too.
>
>
> Helpful Harry
> Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)

Colin Barnhorst · Joined: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 758

eBay uk is your source since Win98 was withdrawn from store shelves over
five years ago. You cannot order the way you can XP. Just check the
feedback rating for the seller before buying.

"Sally Thompson" wrote in message @news.individual.net...
> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:00:39 +0000, Mac G wrote
> (in article ):
>
>> In article ,
>> Sally Thompson wrote:
>>
>>> I have Virtual PC 7.0.3 on my iMac G5 (PPC) running OS X 10.4.11, and I
>>> run
>>> Windows XP Professional within VPC.
>>>
>>> I have a language CD that I used to run on a Windows PC which needs
>>> Windows
>>> 95, 98 or NT 4.0. I uninstalled it from the old PC some time ago when I
>>> sold
>>> it, and have recently tried to install it on this version of XP but
>>> without
>>> success.
>>>
>>> Can I install Windows 98 SE on my VPC in addition to XP?
>
>>
>> I don't see a supported Win98 solution for you on the G5 and Tiger X.4.
>> Win98 is supported on Parallels, but you need an Intel Mac to run
>> Parallels.
>> VPC 6 supports Windows 98, but it doesn't run on the G5 and probably
>> won't run on Tiger.
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/827904
>> Of course you could always give VPC7 & Win98 a try, the FAQ below says
>> there may be some limitations.
>>
>> A good VPC7 FAQ:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/virtualpc/using.aspx?pid=usingvirtu
>> alpc&type=howto&article=/mac/library/how_to_articles/virtualpc/vpc_top10q
>> uestions.xml
>
> Thanks so much for the quick reply. Yes, I can see now by reading those
> particular links that I can't run Windows 98 on VPC 7, and I can't install
> an
> earlier version of VPC on the G5. Up the creek without the proverbial
> paddle, in other words!
>
> I will go off and ponder another solution - but thanks for putting me
> straight.
>
> --
> Sally in Shropshire, UK
>
>

Sally Thompson · Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 9

I have Virtual PC 7.0.3 on my iMac G5 (PPC) running OS X 10.4.11, and I run
Windows XP Professional within VPC.

I have a language CD that I used to run on a Windows PC which needs Windows
95, 98 or NT 4.0. I uninstalled it from the old PC some time ago when I sold
it, and have recently tried to install it on this version of XP but without
success.

Can I install Windows 98 SE on my VPC in addition to XP? As far as I can
see, I do this by Selecting File - New, Create New PC, and Install your own
Operating System. If so, could anyone advise me on the best place to buy a
second-hand copy? I am a bit hesitant about buying such software on eBay
since I can't be sure it is legit, and cannot find such an old OS anywhere
else. I am in the UK.

The other choice I have is that I have a dying laptop with Windows 98SE on
it. Could I transfer that, perhaps via a USB stick? (There's no CD drive on
the laptop so it was not installed via a CD.)

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK

Mac G · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 60

In article ,
Sally Thompson wrote:

> I have Virtual PC 7.0.3 on my iMac G5 (PPC) running OS X 10.4.11, and I run
> Windows XP Professional within VPC.
>
> I have a language CD that I used to run on a Windows PC which needs Windows
> 95, 98 or NT 4.0. I uninstalled it from the old PC some time ago when I sold
> it, and have recently tried to install it on this version of XP but without
> success.
>
> Can I install Windows 98 SE on my VPC in addition to XP? As far as I can
> see, I do this by Selecting File - New, Create New PC, and Install your own
> Operating System. If so, could anyone advise me on the best place to buy a
> second-hand copy? I am a bit hesitant about buying such software on eBay
> since I can't be sure it is legit, and cannot find such an old OS anywhere
> else. I am in the UK.
>
> The other choice I have is that I have a dying laptop with Windows 98SE on
> it. Could I transfer that, perhaps via a USB stick? (There's no CD drive on
> the laptop so it was not installed via a CD.)

I don't see a supported Win98 solution for you on the G5 and Tiger X.4.
Win98 is supported on Parallels, but you need an Intel Mac to run
Parallels.
VPC 6 supports Windows 98, but it doesn't run on the G5 and probably
won't run on Tiger.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/827904
Of course you could always give VPC7 & Win98 a try, the FAQ below says
there may be some limitations.

A good VPC7 FAQ:
http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/virtualpc/using.aspx?pid=usingvirtu
alpc&type=howto&article=/mac/library/how_to_articles/virtualpc/vpc_top10q
uestions.xml
> 4. What operating systems can I run with on my virtual machine?
>
> Virtual PC 7 comes with your choice of the following supported operating
> systems: Windows XP Professional, Windows XP Home Edition, and Windows 2000
> Professional.
>
> Note If you install an unsupported operating system, such as Windows 98,
> some features do not work. For example, Virtual Machine Additions (see #9)
> cannot be installed on a virtual machine that is running on a non-supported
> operating system.

Fred Horvat · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 69

Virtual Machine Additions install and run fine for me with Windows 98 under
VPC 7.03 on my G5 10.4.11. VPC 6 obviously will not run on a G5 but Win98
and the Additions do under VPC 7.

If you don't care to get VPC there are cheaper or Free products out there
but VPC is the most polished and offers the best performance.

On 12/27/07 3:27 PM, in article
0001HW.C399BB46002938D3F0182648@news.individual.net, "Sally Thompson"
wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:00:39 +0000, Mac G wrote
> (in article ):
>
>> In article ,
>> Sally Thompson wrote:
>>
>>> I have Virtual PC 7.0.3 on my iMac G5 (PPC) running OS X 10.4.11, and I run
>>> Windows XP Professional within VPC.
>>>
>>> I have a language CD that I used to run on a Windows PC which needs Windows
>>> 95, 98 or NT 4.0. I uninstalled it from the old PC some time ago when I
>>> sold
>>> it, and have recently tried to install it on this version of XP but without
>>> success.
>>>
>>> Can I install Windows 98 SE on my VPC in addition to XP?
>
>>
>> I don't see a supported Win98 solution for you on the G5 and Tiger X.4.
>> Win98 is supported on Parallels, but you need an Intel Mac to run
>> Parallels.
>> VPC 6 supports Windows 98, but it doesn't run on the G5 and probably
>> won't run on Tiger.
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/827904
>> Of course you could always give VPC7 & Win98 a try, the FAQ below says
>> there may be some limitations.
>>
>> A good VPC7 FAQ:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/virtualpc/using.aspx?pid=usingvirtu
>> alpc&type=howto&article=/mac/library/how_to_articles/virtualpc/vpc_top10q
>> uestions.xml
>
> Thanks so much for the quick reply. Yes, I can see now by reading those
> particular links that I can't run Windows 98 on VPC 7, and I can't install an
> earlier version of VPC on the G5. Up the creek without the proverbial
> paddle, in other words!
>
> I will go off and ponder another solution - but thanks for putting me
> straight.

Sally Thompson · Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 9

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:00:39 +0000, Mac G wrote
(in article ):

> In article ,
> Sally Thompson wrote:
>
>> I have Virtual PC 7.0.3 on my iMac G5 (PPC) running OS X 10.4.11, and I run
>> Windows XP Professional within VPC.
>>
>> I have a language CD that I used to run on a Windows PC which needs Windows
>> 95, 98 or NT 4.0. I uninstalled it from the old PC some time ago when I
>> sold
>> it, and have recently tried to install it on this version of XP but without
>> success.
>>
>> Can I install Windows 98 SE on my VPC in addition to XP?

>
> I don't see a supported Win98 solution for you on the G5 and Tiger X.4.
> Win98 is supported on Parallels, but you need an Intel Mac to run
> Parallels.
> VPC 6 supports Windows 98, but it doesn't run on the G5 and probably
> won't run on Tiger.
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/827904
> Of course you could always give VPC7 & Win98 a try, the FAQ below says
> there may be some limitations.
>
> A good VPC7 FAQ:
> http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/virtualpc/using.aspx?pid=usingvirtu
> alpc&type=howto&article=/mac/library/how_to_articles/virtualpc/vpc_top10q
> uestions.xml

Thanks so much for the quick reply. Yes, I can see now by reading those
particular links that I can't run Windows 98 on VPC 7, and I can't install an
earlier version of VPC on the G5. Up the creek without the proverbial
paddle, in other words!

I will go off and ponder another solution - but thanks for putting me
straight.

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK

Colin Barnhorst · Joined: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 758

The seller of a full edition will usually say so clearly since it is a
selling point. The vague ones are usually OEM or upgrade editions.

"Sally Thompson" wrote in message @news.individual.net...
> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:43:24 +0000, Colin Barnhorst wrote
> (in article ):
>
>> eBay uk is your source since Win98 was withdrawn from store shelves over
>> five years ago. You cannot order the way you can XP. Just check the
>> feedback rating for the seller before buying.
>
>
> I have seen some copies on eBay, but find it difficult to tell if they are
> full copies or upgrades - some of the descriptions are on the vague side!
> Thanks to all for the good advice.
>
> --
> Sally in Shropshire, UK
>
> Give free rice to hungry people by playing a simple word game
>
>

Sally Thompson · Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 9

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:53:15 +0000, Colin Barnhorst wrote
(in article ):

> Windows 98 should run. It isn't supported but that just means help from MS,
> not whether or not it will run. There are many Win98SE offerings on eBay.
> Don't buy an upgrade edition. You won't be able to install it without an
> earlier version to upgrade. Buy what's called a full edition.

Thanks for that advice. I will give it a go, but will try Helpful Harry's
suggestion first just in case it works!

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK

Give free rice to hungry people by playing a simple word game

Sally Thompson · Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 9

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:23:26 +0000, Helpful Harry wrote
(in article ):

> BUT,
> the original person may not need Windows 98 at all. There is the
> occasional piece of software that doesn't like Windows XP, but many can
> be "persuaded" to run.
>
> I haven't tried it on anything myself, but you could try the following
> process to coax the "language CD" into working with XP.
>
> 1. Insert game CD and close the autoplay window when it pops up.
> 2. Use Windows Explorer to expand the CD and find the install icon.
> 3. Right-click on the installation icon (Setup.exe) and select
> Properties.
> 4. Click on the "Compatibility" tab at the top of your new Properties
> window.
> 5. Check the box and select "Windows 98/Me" from the pull-down menu.
> 6. Install the software like you normally would.
> 7. Once installed, repeat from step 3...only this time use Windows
> Explorer to search for the software launch icon and change the
> compatibility there, too.

Thanks for that, Harry, will give it another go since when I tried to install
it before I didn't check or change any Compatibility settings! That would be
the simplest solution.

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK

Sally Thompson · Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 9

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:07:33 +0000, Fred Horvat wrote
(in article ):

I already have VPC7 on my Mac, and use it with XP Pro, but looking at this
and other advice inspires me to have another go. Thanks.

> Virtual Machine Additions install and run fine for me with Windows 98 under
> VPC 7.03 on my G5 10.4.11. VPC 6 obviously will not run on a G5 but Win98
> and the Additions do under VPC 7.
>
> If you don't care to get VPC there are cheaper or Free products out there
> but VPC is the most polished and offers the best performance.
>
>
> On 12/27/07 3:27 PM, in article
> 0001HW.C399BB46002938D3F0182648@news.individual.net, "Sally Thompson"
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:00:39 +0000, Mac G wrote
>> (in article ):
>>
>>> In article ,
>>> Sally Thompson wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have Virtual PC 7.0.3 on my iMac G5 (PPC) running OS X 10.4.11, and I
>>>> run
>>>> Windows XP Professional within VPC.
>>>>
>>>> I have a language CD that I used to run on a Windows PC which needs
>>>> Windows
>>>> 95, 98 or NT 4.0. I uninstalled it from the old PC some time ago when I
>>>> sold
>>>> it, and have recently tried to install it on this version of XP but
>>>> without
>>>> success.
>>>>
>>>> Can I install Windows 98 SE on my VPC in addition to XP?
>>
>>>
>>> I don't see a supported Win98 solution for you on the G5 and Tiger X.4.
>>> Win98 is supported on Parallels, but you need an Intel Mac to run
>>> Parallels.
>>> VPC 6 supports Windows 98, but it doesn't run on the G5 and probably
>>> won't run on Tiger.
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/827904
>>> Of course you could always give VPC7 & Win98 a try, the FAQ below says
>>> there may be some limitations.
>>>
>>> A good VPC7 FAQ:
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/virtualpc/using.aspx?pid=usingvirtu
>>> alpc&type=howto&article=/mac/library/how_to_articles/virtualpc/vpc_top10q
>>> uestions.xml
>>
>> Thanks so much for the quick reply. Yes, I can see now by reading those
>> particular links that I can't run Windows 98 on VPC 7, and I can't install
>> an
>> earlier version of VPC on the G5. Up the creek without the proverbial
>> paddle, in other words!
>>
>> I will go off and ponder another solution - but thanks for putting me
>> straight.
>

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
Burne-Jones/William Morris window in Shropshire church with conservation
churchyard:
http://www.whitton-stmarys.org.uk

Sally Thompson · Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 9

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:43:24 +0000, Colin Barnhorst wrote
(in article ):

> eBay uk is your source since Win98 was withdrawn from store shelves over
> five years ago. You cannot order the way you can XP. Just check the
> feedback rating for the seller before buying.

I have seen some copies on eBay, but find it difficult to tell if they are
full copies or upgrades - some of the descriptions are on the vague side!
Thanks to all for the good advice.

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK

Give free rice to hungry people by playing a simple word game

Paul Power · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 41

On Dec 28, 11:52 am, "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
> The seller of a full edition will usually say so clearly since it is a
> selling point. The vague ones are usually OEM or upgrade editions.
>
> "Sally Thompson" wrote in message
>
> @news.individual.net...
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:43:24 +0000, Colin Barnhorst wrote
> > (in article ):
>
> >> eBay uk is your source since Win98 was withdrawn from store shelves over
> >> five years ago. You cannot order the way you can XP. Just check the
> >> feedback rating for the seller before buying.
>
> >
> > I have seen some copies on eBay, but find it difficult to tell if they are
> > full copies or upgrades - some of the descriptions are on the vague side!
> > Thanks to all for the good advice.
>
> > --
> > Sally in Shropshire, UK
> >
> > Give free rice to hungry people by playing a simple word game- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

For your software to run in Windows XP, try this:

Go to Virtual PC in the Menu bar and select 'Preferences'. Go to
'Script Menu' and install it.
Now, in the Menu bar at the top fo the screen, click on the Scripts
icon, point to 'Virtual PC Scripts' and then 'Toubleshooting' and then
click on 'Toggle Compatibility Mode' and you will be asked if you want
to enable Compatibility Mode. Say 'Yes' and try running your software.

Helpful Harry · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 324

In article , "Colin
Barnhorst" wrote:

> Windows 98 should run. It isn't supported but that just means help from MS,
> not whether or not it will run. There are many Win98SE offerings on eBay.
> Don't buy an upgrade edition. You won't be able to install it without an
> earlier version to upgrade. Buy what's called a full edition.

Unfortunately the original message had a bit that was snipped by
someone else before you replied. It said:

I am a bit hesitant about buying such software on eBay since
I can't be sure it is legit, and cannot find such an old OS
anywhere else. I am in the UK.

Any good PC repair centre should still have copies of Windows 98 (for
re-install purposes), but they may not be able to legally sell it to
anyone.

BUT,
the original person may not need Windows 98 at all. There is the
occasional piece of software that doesn't like Windows XP, but many can
be "persuaded" to run.

I haven't tried it on anything myself, but you could try the following
process to coax the "language CD" into working with XP.

1. Insert game CD and close the autoplay window when it pops up.
2. Use Windows Explorer to expand the CD and find the install icon.
3. Right-click on the installation icon (Setup.exe) and select
Properties.
4. Click on the "Compatibility" tab at the top of your new Properties
window.
5. Check the box and select "Windows 98/Me" from the pull-down menu.
6. Install the software like you normally would.
7. Once installed, repeat from step 3...only this time use Windows
Explorer to search for the software launch icon and change the
compatibility there, too.

Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)

Fred Horvat · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 69

You can always contact the seller and have them clarify which type of CD it
is.

On 12/28/07 4:44 AM, in article
0001HW.C39A7618002B798CF0182648@news.individual.net, "Sally Thompson"
wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:43:24 +0000, Colin Barnhorst wrote
> (in article ):
>
>> eBay uk is your source since Win98 was withdrawn from store shelves over
>> five years ago. You cannot order the way you can XP. Just check the
>> feedback rating for the seller before buying.
>
>
> I have seen some copies on eBay, but find it difficult to tell if they are
> full copies or upgrades - some of the descriptions are on the vague side!
> Thanks to all for the good advice.