Will Virtual PC run in Leopard?

Fred Horvat · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 69

I don't have the exact link to the quote from MacWorld but it was stated
that PPC would be supported for 5 years after the release of the X86 Mac.
Well it's already 2 years and it took over 2.5 years between 10.4 and 10.5
(if I remember correctly) so 10.5 may be the last release with that road
map. Either way 10.5 requirements excluded most of the PPC base of machines
anyway. When the next release comes out maybe even the G5 can't cut it?
Then there's always that corporate bottom line. Is it even worth it to
Apple to spend the money to support such a small base?

On 10/23/07 11:51 PM, in article
tomacguy-9F694B.20511123102007@news.telus.net, "Mac G"
wrote:

>> And looked upon the fact that, seen from the present System Requirements,
>> Leopard will be the final OS X that runs on PPC Macs I like to keep it that
>> way.
> I haven't seen that, but I wouldn't be surprised. Leopard will probably
> have a long life, after all what more can they put into it?

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Mac G · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 60

In article , Fred Horvat
wrote:

> When the next release comes out maybe even the G5 can't cut it?

The last G5s will have a very short MacOS support life.
Glad I avoided them.
They were too "hot" for me anyway. < Smile

Mac G · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 60

In article ,
Barry Margolin wrote:

> There's a difference between working on new
> features and fixing bugs and making minor compatibility changes.
> Obviously, porting VPC to Intel Macs would have been a major project,
> and it's understandable why they didn't bother (especially since there's
> heavy competition in that market: Boot Camp, Parallels, and CrossOver).
> But supporting a new OS X release on PPC Macs shouldn't be as much work,
> and we don't have any other alternative.
I doubt M$ would do much to modify VPC for Leopard. There's no payoff
in it for them.
Lets wait and see if VPC works, only a week or so to hear user comments.

Fred Horvat · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 69

I have a 2.0ghz dual core G5 (last G5s made) and it appears the heat issue
was finally resolved with the last G5s. Mine I never once in the 6 months
that I have owned it heard the fans kick into high gear. Granted I'm not a
3D graphics design person but VPC and other CPU intensive apps should spin
the fans up but so far they have not. So far I'm happy with the machine but
6 months is not long term yet.

On 10/24/07 3:09 PM, in article
tomacguy-859FE0.12092724102007@news.telus.net, "Mac G"
wrote:

> In article , Fred Horvat
> wrote:
>
>> When the next release comes out maybe even the G5 can't cut it?
>
> The last G5s will have a very short MacOS support life.
> Glad I avoided them.
> They were too "hot" for me anyway. < Smile

Mac G · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 60

Glad to hear Apple/IBM solved the G5 heat problem. Yours would be an
improved G5 CPU from IBM.
The first G5 editions were a quick redesign of the CPUs IBM used in
much larger server boxes,

Yes VPC7/WinXP Pro sticks my G4/1.25 CPU to max.; quietly without much
heat fortunately.

In article , Fred Horvat
wrote:

> I have a 2.0ghz dual core G5 (last G5s made) and it appears the heat issue
> was finally resolved with the last G5s. Mine I never once in the 6 months
> that I have owned it heard the fans kick into high gear. Granted I'm not a
> 3D graphics design person but VPC and other CPU intensive apps should spin
> the fans up but so far they have not. So far I'm happy with the machine but
> 6 months is not long term yet.
>
>
> On 10/24/07 3:09 PM, in article
> tomacguy-859FE0.12092724102007@news.telus.net, "Mac G"
> wrote:
>
> > In article , Fred Horvat
> > wrote:
> >
> >> When the next release comes out maybe even the G5 can't cut it?
> >
> > The last G5s will have a very short MacOS support life.
> > Glad I avoided them.
> > They were too "hot" for me anyway. < Smile

Paul Power · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 36

On Oct 23, 4:38 pm, Steve Jain wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:18:56 +0200, Mario Been
> wrote:
>
> >That's irrelevant in the question posted: Will Virtual PC run in Leopard?
>
> It is relevant to the fact the the product is no longer supported by
> Microsoft.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVPhttp://vpc.essjae.com/
> I do not work for Microsoft.

Time to clarify a few items:

First, Microsoft has never tested any product on beta software. So,
the fact that the beta version of Leopard has been around for a while
is irrelevant.

Second, will VPC work in Leopard? Nobody knows at this point.

Third, if it doesn't work, will MS provide an update as they did with
Tiger (7.0.2)? Nobody knows at this point.

Lastly, Microsoft STILL supports VPC. If you have a problem with VPC
on a G3, G4, or G5, tech support is most definitely readily
available.

There is a big difference between providing technical support and
providing updates for a product that is at the end of it's life cycle.
Go to your favorite computer store and you will find that VPC is still
being sold and because of that, Microsoft is required to provide tech
support. There are a lot of ppl still using G3, G4 and G5 PPC Macs.
Boot Camp and Parallels and the other virtualization/emulation
programs out there don't work on PPCs

Helpful Harry · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 324

In article , Paul
Power wrote:

> On Oct 23, 4:38 pm, Steve Jain wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:18:56 +0200, Mario Been
> > wrote:
> >
> > >That's irrelevant in the question posted: Will Virtual PC run in Leopard?
> >
> > It is relevant to the fact the the product is no longer supported by
> > Microsoft.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVPhttp://vpc.essjae.com/
> > I do not work for Microsoft.
>
>
> Time to clarify a few items:
>
> First, Microsoft has never tested any product on beta software. So,
> the fact that the beta version of Leopard has been around for a while
> is irrelevant.
>
> Second, will VPC work in Leopard? Nobody knows at this point.
>
> Third, if it doesn't work, will MS provide an update as they did with
> Tiger (7.0.2)? Nobody knows at this point.
>
> Lastly, Microsoft STILL supports VPC. If you have a problem with VPC
> on a G3, G4, or G5, tech support is most definitely readily
> available.
>
> There is a big difference between providing technical support and
> providing updates for a product that is at the end of it's life cycle.
> Go to your favorite computer store and you will find that VPC is still
> being sold and because of that, Microsoft is required to provide tech
> support. There are a lot of ppl still using G3, G4 and G5 PPC Macs.
> Boot Camp and Parallels and the other virtualization/emulation
> programs out there don't work on PPCs

Programs like Boot Camp, Parallels and VMWare don't work on PowerPC
machines because they require Intel chips, but of course there
certainly are other emulation programs that do work on PowerPC based
Macs, although being shareware / freeware they do tend to be more
difficult to set-up and often less compatible. Take a look at
http://emulation.victoly.com or the more up-to-date
http://www.emuscene.com for links.

Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)

nospam · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 15

In article , Mario Been
wrote:

> And looked upon the fact that, seen from the present System Requirements,
> Leopard will be the final OS X that runs on PPC Macs I like to keep it that
> way.

that's pure speculation.

there has not even been any announcement regarding the next version,
let alone on which hardware it will run. there are still a *lot* of
powerpc macs out there and it isn't that difficult to keep it universal
and support at least a powermac g5 and possibly high end g4s.

nospam · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 15

In article , Steve Jain
wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:18:56 +0200, Mario Been
> wrote:
>
> >That's irrelevant in the question posted: Will Virtual PC run in Leopard?
> >
> It is relevant to the fact the the product is no longer supported by
> Microsoft.

virtual pc 7 is still being sold, and since all macs from today on ship
with leopard (although a few still have tiger on them), microsoft is
*has* to support it running on leopard. there is nothing at
microsoft.com that says it won't work in leopard.

Mac G · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 60

In article ,
nospam wrote:

> virtual pc 7 is still being sold, and since all macs from today on ship
> with leopard (although a few still have tiger on them), microsoft is
> *has* to support it running on leopard. there is nothing at
> microsoft.com that says it won't work in leopard.

M$ may sell it, but that doesn't say it will work on the latest MacOS.

M$ was selling VPC7 to Mac Intel users. It was a deal to purchasers of
the full Office 2004 and no mention was made of not supporting Intel
Macs. They now state that on their web site.
I bought my copy of the latest VPC7/WinXP Pro from a chap who bought it
with Office for his Intel Mac and couldn't return it.

Colman · Joined: 27 Oct 2007 Posts: 3

On Oct 21, 3:54 pm, Jonathan Coulter wrote:
> I am currently using a dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 under Mac OS X version
> 10.4.10, and have no problems with Virtual PC 7.0.3. When I upgrade
> to Leopard, will Virtual PC still work? I cannot find any discussion
> on this topic. I believe that there will not be an Intel version of
> Virtual PC, as other options (i.e. Bootcamp) exist. Anyone heard
> anything? My ability to use Windows XP is pretty important, and I do
> not intend to purchase an Intel Mac (yet). Thanks!

Works for me on that configuration.

fallingsnowlake · Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 2

On Oct 21, 10:54 am, Jonathan Coulter wrote:
> I am currently using a dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 under Mac OS X version
> 10.4.10, and have no problems with Virtual PC 7.0.3. When I upgrade
> to Leopard, will Virtual PC still work? I cannot find any discussion
> on this topic. I believe that there will not be an Intel version of
> Virtual PC, as other options (i.e. Bootcamp) exist. Anyone heard
> anything? My ability to use Windows XP is pretty important, and I do
> not intend to purchase an Intel Mac (yet). Thanks!

I just successfully installed and ran VPC 7.03 in Leopard on my 2 Gh
DP PowerMac G5. Everything functioned normally AFAIK, although I did
not try printing. Printing is somewhat flakey for me in Tiger anyway;
I have to create PDFs in some applications and copy them into the Mac
OS to print. The internet worked fine.

I did a full clean install of Leopard first, preceded by the extended
Apple Hardware Test of the physical system.

Unfortunately, I had to quickly revert back to Tiger and will remain
there until Lexmark updates the driver for my Optra E232.

Steve Jain · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 835

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 20:06:30 -0400, Fred Horvat
wrote:

>Well from a couple of posts here it looks like VPC 7.03 will run under
>Leopard. Right now I am not having a lot of luck with testing apps under
>Leopard. When programs fail I have the Console open to see what is going on
>and so far almost all my problems appear to be related to my Video Card. I
>have the standard ATI Rage (16 meg VRAM) and most of the errors causing
>crashes are Open GL, pixel, or font related. This most likely is related to
>being not able to play DVDs posted on various sites on 16 meg VRAM video
>cards under Leopard.
>
>I did a clean install onto my stock Cube G4-450 and 1 Gig RAM. Basic stuff
>built in runs fine except DVD Player. VPC gives me "Invalid File Format"
>when I try and run my existing Windows 98 setup from my G5 Powermac.
>iEmulator fails to run as does iWork08 fail to run. Console error logging
>mostly (I have not read all of them yet) point to video related issues. At
>this point I'm not overly concerned as the G4 Cube is not my main machine.
>It was the only G4 machine I have available for testing at the moment. So
>it appears with my machine that you need a 32 meg VRAM video card or better
>to run Leopard.
>

I thought the min for Leopard was an 867Mhz G4?

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
I do not work for Microsoft.

Fred Horvat · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 69

Well from a couple of posts here it looks like VPC 7.03 will run under
Leopard. Right now I am not having a lot of luck with testing apps under
Leopard. When programs fail I have the Console open to see what is going on
and so far almost all my problems appear to be related to my Video Card. I
have the standard ATI Rage (16 meg VRAM) and most of the errors causing
crashes are Open GL, pixel, or font related. This most likely is related to
being not able to play DVDs posted on various sites on 16 meg VRAM video
cards under Leopard.

I did a clean install onto my stock Cube G4-450 and 1 Gig RAM. Basic stuff
built in runs fine except DVD Player. VPC gives me "Invalid File Format"
when I try and run my existing Windows 98 setup from my G5 Powermac.
iEmulator fails to run as does iWork08 fail to run. Console error logging
mostly (I have not read all of them yet) point to video related issues. At
this point I'm not overly concerned as the G4 Cube is not my main machine.
It was the only G4 machine I have available for testing at the moment. So
it appears with my machine that you need a 32 meg VRAM video card or better
to run Leopard.

On 10/28/07 1:33 PM, in article
1193592781.257229.222390@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com,
"fallingsnowlake@hotmail.com" wrote:

> On Oct 21, 10:54 am, Jonathan Coulter wrote:
>> I am currently using a dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 under Mac OS X version
>> 10.4.10, and have no problems with Virtual PC 7.0.3. When I upgrade
>> to Leopard, will Virtual PC still work? I cannot find any discussion
>> on this topic. I believe that there will not be an Intel version of
>> Virtual PC, as other options (i.e. Bootcamp) exist. Anyone heard
>> anything? My ability to use Windows XP is pretty important, and I do
>> not intend to purchase an Intel Mac (yet). Thanks!
>
> I just successfully installed and ran VPC 7.03 in Leopard on my 2 Gh
> DP PowerMac G5. Everything functioned normally AFAIK, although I did
> not try printing. Printing is somewhat flakey for me in Tiger anyway;
> I have to create PDFs in some applications and copy them into the Mac
> OS to print. The internet worked fine.
>
> I did a full clean install of Leopard first, preceded by the extended
> Apple Hardware Test of the physical system.
>
> Unfortunately, I had to quickly revert back to Tiger and will remain
> there until Lexmark updates the driver for my Optra E232.
>

Fred Horvat · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 69

Yes to install but not run. I installed 10.5 to a firewire drive off my G5
and popped the drive into the Cube. 10.5 appears to not to be as fast as
10.4 on the same machine but I have not run the Cube in 6 months since I got
my G5 so I can not quantify anything directly but just a gut feel.

On 10/28/07 8:26 PM, in article 54aai31ns6dud121h8miab0fnf76jfeaka@4ax.com,
"Steve Jain" wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 20:06:30 -0400, Fred Horvat
> wrote:
>
>> Well from a couple of posts here it looks like VPC 7.03 will run under
>> Leopard. Right now I am not having a lot of luck with testing apps under
>> Leopard. When programs fail I have the Console open to see what is going on
>> and so far almost all my problems appear to be related to my Video Card. I
>> have the standard ATI Rage (16 meg VRAM) and most of the errors causing
>> crashes are Open GL, pixel, or font related. This most likely is related to
>> being not able to play DVDs posted on various sites on 16 meg VRAM video
>> cards under Leopard.
>>
>> I did a clean install onto my stock Cube G4-450 and 1 Gig RAM. Basic stuff
>> built in runs fine except DVD Player. VPC gives me "Invalid File Format"
>> when I try and run my existing Windows 98 setup from my G5 Powermac.
>> iEmulator fails to run as does iWork08 fail to run. Console error logging
>> mostly (I have not read all of them yet) point to video related issues. At
>> this point I'm not overly concerned as the G4 Cube is not my main machine.
>> It was the only G4 machine I have available for testing at the moment. So
>> it appears with my machine that you need a 32 meg VRAM video card or better
>> to run Leopard.
>>
>
> I thought the min for Leopard was an 867Mhz G4?