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Colin Barnhorst
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 210
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:38 am Post subject: Re: separate partition for VMs? |
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It isn't the capacity of the device (FAT32 supports up to 137GB drives) but
the FILESIZE limitation. No one file can exceed 4GB. That is the rub with
a vm. Except for legacy OSs like Win98, a 4GB .vhd file is not generally
useful. It is impossible for a Vista vm.
"Vincent" wrote in message @TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I guess... but it works... Maybe some benchmark could be used to determine
> speeds... (FAT vs NTFS)
>
> I think FAT32 can handle more than 8Gb.... ... can't...? It work with
> external drives... FAT32, more than 32Gb without troubles... and using
> Win98...
>
>
>
>
> Colin Barnhorst escribió en el mensaje de
> noticias
> 7EC34BB7-58CB-4A74-B162-0F4F6F75A16E@microsoft.com...
>> But the overhead for NTFS is high.
>>
>> "Vincent" wrote in message
>> @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> > Actually they can be formatted with NTFS... I did it and works fine....
>> > You can even use NTFS compression... but it's a little slow... (I did
>> > it...)
>> >
>> >
>> > Colin Barnhorst escribió en el mensaje de
>> > noticias
>> > B3F756A7-ADE6-4AE7-BB06-E47E3DE36945@microsoft.com...
>> >> The problem with flash drives is that they use FAT32 so regardless of
>> > their
>> >> size (8, 16, 32) the file size limit is 4GB.
>> >>
>> >> "Vincent" wrote in message
>> >> news:%23WPuLfcdIHA.5200@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >> > What about using an external flash drive for the VHD? It has the
>> >> > same
>> >> > transfer speed than an external hard disk (USB 2.0) and could be
>> >> > more
>> >> > reliable 'cause it's not affected by shocks. Now we have 8 and 16 gb
>> > flash
>> >> > drives.... and could be used (I guess). It could be better (but
>> >> > expensive)
>> >> > to use the new SSD.. (solid state drives) which are prtty much the
> same
>> >> > technology than USB drives (Flash) but has better performance....
>> >> > (so
>> > they
>> >> > said)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Steve Jain escribió en el mensaje de
> noticias
>> >> > lvhrr39qifko9t8ofu12ks6rn0a746ffu9@4ax.com...
>> >> >> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:10:30 -0800, "Timothy Daniels"
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >"Steve Jain" wrote:
>> >> >> >> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>"Paul Adare" wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> Timothy Daniels wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> When running VMs, would it be better to run them
>> >> >> >>>>> in a separate partition rather than in the same partition
>> >> >> >>>>> as the hosting OS? Would the argument for or against
>> >> >> >>>>> be the same as putting data on a separate partition?
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> The partition you store your VHDs on makes no
>> >> >> >>>> difference at all. What makes a difference is storing
>> >> >> >>>> them on a disk that is separate from the disk that
>> >> >> >>>> your OS runs on and is as fast as you can manage.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> It sounds like the same reason that one would
>> >> >> >>>put a swap file on another (and faster) HD. If so,
>> >> >> >>>I guess the outermost partition on the HD would
>> >> >> >>>be the best partition for VMs because it spins at a
>> >> >> >>>faster lineal speed than inner partitions and can
>> >> >> >>>therefore transfer data faster to and from cache?
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>*TimDaniels*
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I don't think that would help much, could be worse.
>> >> >> >> Since your host OS is using the other partition, you're
>> >> >> >> going to have a lot head travel between partitions as
>> >> >> >> the host OS and VM are reading and writing.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> A better idea is to use a 2nd hard drive, internal or
>> >> >> >> external, if you want better VM performance.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I meant (and should have written) "on the 2nd HD",
>> >> >> >as in:
>> >> >> > "...a swap file on another (and faster) HD. If so,
>> >> >> > I guess the outermost partition on the [2nd] HD would
>> >> >> > be the best partition for VMs ..."
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Would you agree with that revised statement?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >*TimDaniels*
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yes, I agree. I always try to have at least one extra drive for my
>> >> >> VMs. I try to spread the ones I use concurrently out across
> multiple
>> >> >> drives for best performance.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
>> >> >> http://vpc.essjae.com/
>> >> >> I do not work for Microsoft.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
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Timothy Daniels
Joined: 20 Feb 2008 Posts: 22
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:45 am Post subject: Re: separate partition for VMs? |
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"Vincent" wrote:
> (sorry again for my english...)
Never ever say that! First of all, your English is fine.
Secondly, only non-native English speakers say that.
Native English speakers (and immigrants) just fracture
the language without apology. So if you want to be
accepted as a native English speaker, just use terrible
English and sound like you never went to school. These
newsgroups are an excellent tutorial for that.
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Vincent
Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Posts: 20
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:56 am Post subject: RE: separate partition for VMs? |
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What about using an external flash drive for the VHD? It has the same
transfer speed than an external hard disk (USB 2.0) and could be more
reliable 'cause it's not affected by shocks. Now we have 8 and 16 gb flash
drives.... and could be used (I guess). It could be better (but expensive)
to use the new SSD.. (solid state drives) which are prtty much the same
technology than USB drives (Flash) but has better performance.... (so they
said)
Steve Jain escribió en el mensaje de noticias
lvhrr39qifko9t8ofu12ks6rn0a746ffu9@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:10:30 -0800, "Timothy Daniels"
> wrote:
>
> >"Steve Jain" wrote:
> >> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
> >>
> >>>"Paul Adare" wrote:
> >>>> Timothy Daniels wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> When running VMs, would it be better to run them
> >>>>> in a separate partition rather than in the same partition
> >>>>> as the hosting OS? Would the argument for or against
> >>>>> be the same as putting data on a separate partition?
> >>>>
> >>>> The partition you store your VHDs on makes no
> >>>> difference at all. What makes a difference is storing
> >>>> them on a disk that is separate from the disk that
> >>>> your OS runs on and is as fast as you can manage.
> >>>
> >>> It sounds like the same reason that one would
> >>>put a swap file on another (and faster) HD. If so,
> >>>I guess the outermost partition on the HD would
> >>>be the best partition for VMs because it spins at a
> >>>faster lineal speed than inner partitions and can
> >>>therefore transfer data faster to and from cache?
> >>>
> >>>*TimDaniels*
> >>>
> >>
> >> I don't think that would help much, could be worse.
> >> Since your host OS is using the other partition, you're
> >> going to have a lot head travel between partitions as
> >> the host OS and VM are reading and writing.
> >>
> >> A better idea is to use a 2nd hard drive, internal or
> >> external, if you want better VM performance.
> >
> > I meant (and should have written) "on the 2nd HD",
> >as in:
> > "...a swap file on another (and faster) HD. If so,
> > I guess the outermost partition on the [2nd] HD would
> > be the best partition for VMs ..."
> >
> > Would you agree with that revised statement?
> >
> >*TimDaniels*
> >
>
> Yes, I agree. I always try to have at least one extra drive for my
> VMs. I try to spread the ones I use concurrently out across multiple
> drives for best performance.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
> http://vpc.essjae.com/
> I do not work for Microsoft. |
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Vincent
Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Posts: 20
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:00 am Post subject: RE: separate partition for VMs? |
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USB Flash drives are not so expensive.... with 8Gb we are fine wtih
VirtualPC...
I think SATA drives with an external adapter will still run at USB 2.0...
pretty much the same than a pen drive... or... Am I wrong? (please let me
know)
Timothy Daniels escribió en el mensaje de noticias
efk37MPdIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
> > "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
> >> "Steve Jain" wrote:
> >>> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>"Steve Jain" wrote:
> >>>>> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>"Paul Adare" wrote:
> >>>>>>> Timothy Daniels wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> When running VMs, would it be better to run them
> >>>>>>>> in a separate partition rather than in the same partition
> >>>>>>>> as the hosting OS? Would the argument for or against
> >>>>>>>> be the same as putting data on a separate partition?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The partition you store your VHDs on makes no
> >>>>>>> difference at all. What makes a difference is storing
> >>>>>>> them on a disk that is separate from the disk that
> >>>>>>> your OS runs on and is as fast as you can manage.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It sounds like the same reason that one would
> >>>>>>put a swap file on another (and faster) HD. If so,
> >>>>>>I guess the outermost partition on the HD would
> >>>>>>be the best partition for VMs because it spins at a
> >>>>>>faster lineal speed than inner partitions and can
> >>>>>>therefore transfer data faster to and from cache?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>*TimDaniels*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't think that would help much, could be worse.
> >>>>> Since your host OS is using the other partition, you're
> >>>>> going to have a lot head travel between partitions as
> >>>>> the host OS and VM are reading and writing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A better idea is to use a 2nd hard drive, internal or
> >>>>> external, if you want better VM performance.
> >>>>
> >>>> I meant (and should have written) "on the 2nd HD",
> >>>>as in:
> >>>> "...a swap file on another (and faster) HD. If so,
> >>>> I guess the outermost partition on the [2nd] HD would
> >>>> be the best partition for VMs ..."
> >>>>
> >>>> Would you agree with that revised statement?
> >>>>
> >>>>*TimDaniels*
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I agree. I always try to have at least one extra drive
> >>> for my VMs. I try to spread the ones I use concurrently
> >>> out across multiple drives for best performance.
> >>
> >> Thanks, Steve. I'll keep that in mind for my later desktop
> >> configurations. Right now, I'm stuck with a laptop with a single
> >> HD and no external drives. I could only imagine in this case
> >> that a separate partition for the VMs might make the VMs
> >> easier to backup since they're just data.
> >>
> >> *TimDaniels*
> >>
> >>
> > By all means get an external drive. While a lot of folks use a usb
enclosure
> > I suggest you think about an external SATA enclosure
> > (the transfer rate is many time that of a usb connection). What I
> > use for a laptop is an ExpressCard/34 card with two SATA
> > connectors and an enclosure with a SATA connector. I get ful
> > SATAII speed.
> >
> > Even with a usb connection a vm does fine with its files on the
> > external drive.
>
> Getting an external eSATA box (by Kingwin) for a SATA drive
> and an eSATA ExpressCard (by SIIG) are my ultimate goals, but
> I'm still "studenting" right now, and I'm pinching pennies. Like they
> say about speed: "Speed costs money - how fast do ya wanna go?"
>
> *TimDaniels*
>
> |
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Vincent
Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Posts: 20
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:32 am Post subject: RE: separate partition for VMs? |
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Yesssss.. you're right I was thinking about USB drives but ExpressCard are
much better, no doubt... good point.
Anyway... here we have 8Gb pen drives... at US$ 50.00 It isn't a big
stuff but... could work... maybe for fun... mmm I think a SATA
external box coul raise easely at US$ 150-180... well... just for fun and
no virutal PC topic... I put a Mac emulator disk image on a 8gb USB pendrive
(PearPC) and works fine... The "disk speed"-feeling is even better with the
pen drive than with the host hard disk....
(sorry again for my english...)
Colin Barnhorst escribió en el mensaje de noticias
0043A5C5-EFD4-480D-87EC-8CBE6FC091D8@microsoft.com...
> Very wrong, sorry to say. My eSATA ExpressCard/34 adaptor permits my
> external SATA drives to reach 3gbs versus the same drive enclosure
connected
> to a usb port only reaches 480mbs. There is no difference in transfer
rates
> between the external drives and an internal SATAII drive. I even have one
> laptop that uses a 4200 rpm hard drive internally and the external SATA
> drive is faster.
>
> The problem with pen drives is the current 4GB file size limitation
> regardless of the total capacity. Unless you are running a Win98 vm or a
> very constrained XP vm they don't work out. When ExFat devices come on
the
> market then pen drives will be much more viable for running vms.
>
> "Vincent" wrote in message
> @TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > USB Flash drives are not so expensive.... with 8Gb we are fine wtih
> > VirtualPC...
> > I think SATA drives with an external adapter will still run at USB
2.0...
> > pretty much the same than a pen drive... or... Am I wrong? (please let
me
> > know)
> >
> > Timothy Daniels escribió en el mensaje de
noticias
> > efk37MPdIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
> >> > "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
> >> >> "Steve Jain" wrote:
> >> >>> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>"Steve Jain" wrote:
> >> >>>>> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>"Paul Adare" wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> Timothy Daniels wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> When running VMs, would it be better to run them
> >> >>>>>>>> in a separate partition rather than in the same partition
> >> >>>>>>>> as the hosting OS? Would the argument for or against
> >> >>>>>>>> be the same as putting data on a separate partition?
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> The partition you store your VHDs on makes no
> >> >>>>>>> difference at all. What makes a difference is storing
> >> >>>>>>> them on a disk that is separate from the disk that
> >> >>>>>>> your OS runs on and is as fast as you can manage.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> It sounds like the same reason that one would
> >> >>>>>>put a swap file on another (and faster) HD. If so,
> >> >>>>>>I guess the outermost partition on the HD would
> >> >>>>>>be the best partition for VMs because it spins at a
> >> >>>>>>faster lineal speed than inner partitions and can
> >> >>>>>>therefore transfer data faster to and from cache?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>*TimDaniels*
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I don't think that would help much, could be worse.
> >> >>>>> Since your host OS is using the other partition, you're
> >> >>>>> going to have a lot head travel between partitions as
> >> >>>>> the host OS and VM are reading and writing.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> A better idea is to use a 2nd hard drive, internal or
> >> >>>>> external, if you want better VM performance.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I meant (and should have written) "on the 2nd HD",
> >> >>>>as in:
> >> >>>> "...a swap file on another (and faster) HD. If so,
> >> >>>> I guess the outermost partition on the [2nd] HD would
> >> >>>> be the best partition for VMs ..."
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Would you agree with that revised statement?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>*TimDaniels*
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Yes, I agree. I always try to have at least one extra drive
> >> >>> for my VMs. I try to spread the ones I use concurrently
> >> >>> out across multiple drives for best performance.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks, Steve. I'll keep that in mind for my later desktop
> >> >> configurations. Right now, I'm stuck with a laptop with a single
> >> >> HD and no external drives. I could only imagine in this case
> >> >> that a separate partition for the VMs might make the VMs
> >> >> easier to backup since they're just data.
> >> >>
> >> >> *TimDaniels*
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > By all means get an external drive. While a lot of folks use a usb
> > enclosure
> >> > I suggest you think about an external SATA enclosure
> >> > (the transfer rate is many time that of a usb connection). What I
> >> > use for a laptop is an ExpressCard/34 card with two SATA
> >> > connectors and an enclosure with a SATA connector. I get ful
> >> > SATAII speed.
> >> >
> >> > Even with a usb connection a vm does fine with its files on the
> >> > external drive.
> >>
> >> Getting an external eSATA box (by Kingwin) for a SATA drive
> >> and an eSATA ExpressCard (by SIIG) are my ultimate goals, but
> >> I'm still "studenting" right now, and I'm pinching pennies. Like they
> >> say about speed: "Speed costs money - how fast do ya wanna go?"
> >>
> >> *TimDaniels*
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Vincent
Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Posts: 20
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:36 am Post subject: RE: separate partition for VMs? |
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Actually they can be formatted with NTFS... I did it and works fine....
You can even use NTFS compression... but it's a little slow... (I did it...)
Colin Barnhorst escribió en el mensaje de noticias
B3F756A7-ADE6-4AE7-BB06-E47E3DE36945@microsoft.com...
> The problem with flash drives is that they use FAT32 so regardless of
their
> size (8, 16, 32) the file size limit is 4GB.
>
> "Vincent" wrote in message
> news:%23WPuLfcdIHA.5200@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > What about using an external flash drive for the VHD? It has the same
> > transfer speed than an external hard disk (USB 2.0) and could be more
> > reliable 'cause it's not affected by shocks. Now we have 8 and 16 gb
flash
> > drives.... and could be used (I guess). It could be better (but
> > expensive)
> > to use the new SSD.. (solid state drives) which are prtty much the same
> > technology than USB drives (Flash) but has better performance.... (so
they
> > said)
> >
> >
> > Steve Jain escribió en el mensaje de noticias
> > lvhrr39qifko9t8ofu12ks6rn0a746ffu9@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:10:30 -0800, "Timothy Daniels"
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Steve Jain" wrote:
> >> >> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>"Paul Adare" wrote:
> >> >>>> Timothy Daniels wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> When running VMs, would it be better to run them
> >> >>>>> in a separate partition rather than in the same partition
> >> >>>>> as the hosting OS? Would the argument for or against
> >> >>>>> be the same as putting data on a separate partition?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The partition you store your VHDs on makes no
> >> >>>> difference at all. What makes a difference is storing
> >> >>>> them on a disk that is separate from the disk that
> >> >>>> your OS runs on and is as fast as you can manage.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It sounds like the same reason that one would
> >> >>>put a swap file on another (and faster) HD. If so,
> >> >>>I guess the outermost partition on the HD would
> >> >>>be the best partition for VMs because it spins at a
> >> >>>faster lineal speed than inner partitions and can
> >> >>>therefore transfer data faster to and from cache?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>*TimDaniels*
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't think that would help much, could be worse.
> >> >> Since your host OS is using the other partition, you're
> >> >> going to have a lot head travel between partitions as
> >> >> the host OS and VM are reading and writing.
> >> >>
> >> >> A better idea is to use a 2nd hard drive, internal or
> >> >> external, if you want better VM performance.
> >> >
> >> > I meant (and should have written) "on the 2nd HD",
> >> >as in:
> >> > "...a swap file on another (and faster) HD. If so,
> >> > I guess the outermost partition on the [2nd] HD would
> >> > be the best partition for VMs ..."
> >> >
> >> > Would you agree with that revised statement?
> >> >
> >> >*TimDaniels*
> >> >
> >>
> >> Yes, I agree. I always try to have at least one extra drive for my
> >> VMs. I try to spread the ones I use concurrently out across multiple
> >> drives for best performance.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
> >> http://vpc.essjae.com/
> >> I do not work for Microsoft.
> >
> >
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Vincent
Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Posts: 20
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:24 am Post subject: RE: separate partition for VMs? |
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I guess... but it works... Maybe some benchmark could be used to determine
speeds... (FAT vs NTFS)
I think FAT32 can handle more than 8Gb.... ... can't...? It work with
external drives... FAT32, more than 32Gb without troubles... and using
Win98...
Colin Barnhorst escribió en el mensaje de noticias
7EC34BB7-58CB-4A74-B162-0F4F6F75A16E@microsoft.com...
> But the overhead for NTFS is high.
>
> "Vincent" wrote in message
> @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > Actually they can be formatted with NTFS... I did it and works fine....
> > You can even use NTFS compression... but it's a little slow... (I did
> > it...)
> >
> >
> > Colin Barnhorst escribió en el mensaje de
> > noticias
> > B3F756A7-ADE6-4AE7-BB06-E47E3DE36945@microsoft.com...
> >> The problem with flash drives is that they use FAT32 so regardless of
> > their
> >> size (8, 16, 32) the file size limit is 4GB.
> >>
> >> "Vincent" wrote in message
> >> news:%23WPuLfcdIHA.5200@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> > What about using an external flash drive for the VHD? It has the same
> >> > transfer speed than an external hard disk (USB 2.0) and could be more
> >> > reliable 'cause it's not affected by shocks. Now we have 8 and 16 gb
> > flash
> >> > drives.... and could be used (I guess). It could be better (but
> >> > expensive)
> >> > to use the new SSD.. (solid state drives) which are prtty much the
same
> >> > technology than USB drives (Flash) but has better performance.... (so
> > they
> >> > said)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Steve Jain escribió en el mensaje de
noticias
> >> > lvhrr39qifko9t8ofu12ks6rn0a746ffu9@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:10:30 -0800, "Timothy Daniels"
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >"Steve Jain" wrote:
> >> >> >> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>"Paul Adare" wrote:
> >> >> >>>> Timothy Daniels wrote:
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>> When running VMs, would it be better to run them
> >> >> >>>>> in a separate partition rather than in the same partition
> >> >> >>>>> as the hosting OS? Would the argument for or against
> >> >> >>>>> be the same as putting data on a separate partition?
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> The partition you store your VHDs on makes no
> >> >> >>>> difference at all. What makes a difference is storing
> >> >> >>>> them on a disk that is separate from the disk that
> >> >> >>>> your OS runs on and is as fast as you can manage.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> It sounds like the same reason that one would
> >> >> >>>put a swap file on another (and faster) HD. If so,
> >> >> >>>I guess the outermost partition on the HD would
> >> >> >>>be the best partition for VMs because it spins at a
> >> >> >>>faster lineal speed than inner partitions and can
> >> >> >>>therefore transfer data faster to and from cache?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>*TimDaniels*
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I don't think that would help much, could be worse.
> >> >> >> Since your host OS is using the other partition, you're
> >> >> >> going to have a lot head travel between partitions as
> >> >> >> the host OS and VM are reading and writing.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> A better idea is to use a 2nd hard drive, internal or
> >> >> >> external, if you want better VM performance.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I meant (and should have written) "on the 2nd HD",
> >> >> >as in:
> >> >> > "...a swap file on another (and faster) HD. If so,
> >> >> > I guess the outermost partition on the [2nd] HD would
> >> >> > be the best partition for VMs ..."
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Would you agree with that revised statement?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >*TimDaniels*
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, I agree. I always try to have at least one extra drive for my
> >> >> VMs. I try to spread the ones I use concurrently out across
multiple
> >> >> drives for best performance.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
> >> >> http://vpc.essjae.com/
> >> >> I do not work for Microsoft.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
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Robert Comer
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:40 am Post subject: Re: separate partition for VMs? |
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You can format pen drives with NTFS to get by the 4G size limitation.
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Bob Comer
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:14:13 -0700, "Colin Barnhorst"
wrote:
>Very wrong, sorry to say. My eSATA ExpressCard/34 adaptor permits my
>external SATA drives to reach 3gbs versus the same drive enclosure connected
>to a usb port only reaches 480mbs. There is no difference in transfer rates
>between the external drives and an internal SATAII drive. I even have one
>laptop that uses a 4200 rpm hard drive internally and the external SATA
>drive is faster.
>
>The problem with pen drives is the current 4GB file size limitation
>regardless of the total capacity. Unless you are running a Win98 vm or a
>very constrained XP vm they don't work out. When ExFat devices come on the
>market then pen drives will be much more viable for running vms.
>
>"Vincent" wrote in message
>@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> USB Flash drives are not so expensive.... with 8Gb we are fine wtih
>> VirtualPC...
>> I think SATA drives with an external adapter will still run at USB 2.0...
>> pretty much the same than a pen drive... or... Am I wrong? (please let me
>> know)
>>
>> Timothy Daniels escribió en el mensaje de noticias
>> efk37MPdIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>>> > "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
>>> >> "Steve Jain" wrote:
>>> >>> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>"Steve Jain" wrote:
>>> >>>>> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>"Paul Adare" wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> Timothy Daniels wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> When running VMs, would it be better to run them
>>> >>>>>>>> in a separate partition rather than in the same partition
>>> >>>>>>>> as the hosting OS? Would the argument for or against
>>> >>>>>>>> be the same as putting data on a separate partition?
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> The partition you store your VHDs on makes no
>>> >>>>>>> difference at all. What makes a difference is storing
>>> >>>>>>> them on a disk that is separate from the disk that
>>> >>>>>>> your OS runs on and is as fast as you can manage.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> It sounds like the same reason that one would
>>> >>>>>>put a swap file on another (and faster) HD. If so,
>>> >>>>>>I guess the outermost partition on the HD would
>>> >>>>>>be the best partition for VMs because it spins at a
>>> >>>>>>faster lineal speed than inner partitions and can
>>> >>>>>>therefore transfer data faster to and from cache?
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>*TimDaniels*
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I don't think that would help much, could be worse.
>>> >>>>> Since your host OS is using the other partition, you're
>>> >>>>> going to have a lot head travel between partitions as
>>> >>>>> the host OS and VM are reading and writing.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> A better idea is to use a 2nd hard drive, internal or
>>> >>>>> external, if you want better VM performance.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I meant (and should have written) "on the 2nd HD",
>>> >>>>as in:
>>> >>>> "...a swap file on another (and faster) HD. If so,
>>> >>>> I guess the outermost partition on the [2nd] HD would
>>> >>>> be the best partition for VMs ..."
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Would you agree with that revised statement?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>*TimDaniels*
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Yes, I agree. I always try to have at least one extra drive
>>> >>> for my VMs. I try to spread the ones I use concurrently
>>> >>> out across multiple drives for best performance.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks, Steve. I'll keep that in mind for my later desktop
>>> >> configurations. Right now, I'm stuck with a laptop with a single
>>> >> HD and no external drives. I could only imagine in this case
>>> >> that a separate partition for the VMs might make the VMs
>>> >> easier to backup since they're just data.
>>> >>
>>> >> *TimDaniels*
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> > By all means get an external drive. While a lot of folks use a usb
>> enclosure
>>> > I suggest you think about an external SATA enclosure
>>> > (the transfer rate is many time that of a usb connection). What I
>>> > use for a laptop is an ExpressCard/34 card with two SATA
>>> > connectors and an enclosure with a SATA connector. I get ful
>>> > SATAII speed.
>>> >
>>> > Even with a usb connection a vm does fine with its files on the
>>> > external drive.
>>>
>>> Getting an external eSATA box (by Kingwin) for a SATA drive
>>> and an eSATA ExpressCard (by SIIG) are my ultimate goals, but
>>> I'm still "studenting" right now, and I'm pinching pennies. Like they
>>> say about speed: "Speed costs money - how fast do ya wanna go?"
>>>
>>> *TimDaniels*
>>>
>>>
>>
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Robert Comer
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>I guess... but it works... Maybe some benchmark could be used to determine
>speeds... (FAT vs NTFS)
It is a little slower, but it is also safer.
>I think FAT32 can handle more than 8Gb.... ... can't...? It work with
>external drives... FAT32, more than 32Gb without troubles... and using
>Win98...
Yes it can, a *lot* more actually, but file size are still limited to
4G.
--
Bob Comer
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:24:09 -0500, "Vincent" wrote:
>I guess... but it works... Maybe some benchmark could be used to determine
>speeds... (FAT vs NTFS)
>
>I think FAT32 can handle more than 8Gb.... ... can't...? It work with
>external drives... FAT32, more than 32Gb without troubles... and using
>Win98...
>
>
>
>
>Colin Barnhorst escribió en el mensaje de noticias
>7EC34BB7-58CB-4A74-B162-0F4F6F75A16E@microsoft.com...
>> But the overhead for NTFS is high.
>>
>> "Vincent" wrote in message
>> @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> > Actually they can be formatted with NTFS... I did it and works fine....
>> > You can even use NTFS compression... but it's a little slow... (I did
>> > it...)
>> >
>> >
>> > Colin Barnhorst escribió en el mensaje de
>> > noticias
>> > B3F756A7-ADE6-4AE7-BB06-E47E3DE36945@microsoft.com...
>> >> The problem with flash drives is that they use FAT32 so regardless of
>> > their
>> >> size (8, 16, 32) the file size limit is 4GB.
>> >>
>> >> "Vincent" wrote in message
>> >> news:%23WPuLfcdIHA.5200@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >> > What about using an external flash drive for the VHD? It has the same
>> >> > transfer speed than an external hard disk (USB 2.0) and could be more
>> >> > reliable 'cause it's not affected by shocks. Now we have 8 and 16 gb
>> > flash
>> >> > drives.... and could be used (I guess). It could be better (but
>> >> > expensive)
>> >> > to use the new SSD.. (solid state drives) which are prtty much the
>same
>> >> > technology than USB drives (Flash) but has better performance.... (so
>> > they
>> >> > said)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Steve Jain escribió en el mensaje de
>noticias
>> >> > lvhrr39qifko9t8ofu12ks6rn0a746ffu9@4ax.com...
>> >> >> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:10:30 -0800, "Timothy Daniels"
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >"Steve Jain" wrote:
>> >> >> >> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>"Paul Adare" wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> Timothy Daniels wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> When running VMs, would it be better to run them
>> >> >> >>>>> in a separate partition rather than in the same partition
>> >> >> >>>>> as the hosting OS? Would the argument for or against
>> >> >> >>>>> be the same as putting data on a separate partition?
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> The partition you store your VHDs on makes no
>> >> >> >>>> difference at all. What makes a difference is storing
>> >> >> >>>> them on a disk that is separate from the disk that
>> >> >> >>>> your OS runs on and is as fast as you can manage.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> It sounds like the same reason that one would
>> >> >> >>>put a swap file on another (and faster) HD. If so,
>> >> >> >>>I guess the outermost partition on the HD would
>> >> >> >>>be the best partition for VMs because it spins at a
>> >> >> >>>faster lineal speed than inner partitions and can
>> >> >> >>>therefore transfer data faster to and from cache?
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>*TimDaniels*
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I don't think that would help much, could be worse.
>> >> >> >> Since your host OS is using the other partition, you're
>> >> >> >> going to have a lot head travel between partitions as
>> >> >> >> the host OS and VM are reading and writing.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> A better idea is to use a 2nd hard drive, internal or
>> >> >> >> external, if you want better VM performance.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I meant (and should have written) "on the 2nd HD",
>> >> >> >as in:
>> >> >> > "...a swap file on another (and faster) HD. If so,
>> >> >> > I guess the outermost partition on the [2nd] HD would
>> >> >> > be the best partition for VMs ..."
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Would you agree with that revised statement?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >*TimDaniels*
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yes, I agree. I always try to have at least one extra drive for my
>> >> >> VMs. I try to spread the ones I use concurrently out across
>multiple
>> >> >> drives for best performance.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
>> >> >> http://vpc.essjae.com/
>> >> >> I do not work for Microsoft.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
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Colin Barnhorst
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That's the main reason. Mark is pointing out additional considerations, but
the main thing is the size of .vhd files for vms running current Windows
operating system versus FAT32s filesize limit.
"Vincent" wrote in message
news:%23TPJMridIHA.4728@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>I got it... We need more than 4Gb to hold (at least) a VHD file into the
> fat32-pen drive... That's why it wouldn't work on FAT32... isn't it?
> 'cause
> its limit is 4gb filesize...
>
> In a FAT32 pendrives I used up to 3gb files... so I never deal with that
> problem. But it's good to know... thanks
>
>
> Colin Barnhorst escribió en el mensaje de
> noticias
> 5F810B2C-AA4C-4724-8E7A-5F59344D7725@microsoft.com...
>> It isn't the capacity of the device (FAT32 supports up to 137GB drives)
> but
>> the FILESIZE limitation. No one file can exceed 4GB. That is the rub
> with
>> a vm. Except for legacy OSs like Win98, a 4GB .vhd file is not generally
>> useful. It is impossible for a Vista vm.
>>
>> "Vincent" wrote in message
>> @TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> >I guess... but it works... Maybe some benchmark could be used to
> determine
>> > speeds... (FAT vs NTFS)
>> >
>> > I think FAT32 can handle more than 8Gb.... ... can't...? It work with
>> > external drives... FAT32, more than 32Gb without troubles... and using
>> > Win98...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Colin Barnhorst escribió en el mensaje de
>> > noticias
>> > 7EC34BB7-58CB-4A74-B162-0F4F6F75A16E@microsoft.com...
>> >> But the overhead for NTFS is high.
>> >>
>> >> "Vincent" wrote in message
>> >> @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> > Actually they can be formatted with NTFS... I did it and works
> fine....
>> >> > You can even use NTFS compression... but it's a little slow... (I
>> >> > did
>> >> > it...)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Colin Barnhorst escribió en el mensaje de
>> >> > noticias
>> >> > B3F756A7-ADE6-4AE7-BB06-E47E3DE36945@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> The problem with flash drives is that they use FAT32 so regardless
> of
>> >> > their
>> >> >> size (8, 16, 32) the file size limit is 4GB.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Vincent" wrote in message
>> >> >> news:%23WPuLfcdIHA.5200@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> > What about using an external flash drive for the VHD? It has the
>> >> >> > same
>> >> >> > transfer speed than an external hard disk (USB 2.0) and could be
>> >> >> > more
>> >> >> > reliable 'cause it's not affected by shocks. Now we have 8 and 16
> gb
>> >> > flash
>> >> >> > drives.... and could be used (I guess). It could be better (but
>> >> >> > expensive)
>> >> >> > to use the new SSD.. (solid state drives) which are prtty much
>> >> >> > the
>> > same
>> >> >> > technology than USB drives (Flash) but has better performance....
>> >> >> > (so
>> >> > they
>> >> >> > said)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Steve Jain escribió en el mensaje de
>> > noticias
>> >> >> > lvhrr39qifko9t8ofu12ks6rn0a746ffu9@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:10:30 -0800, "Timothy Daniels"
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >"Steve Jain" wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>>"Paul Adare" wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>> Timothy Daniels wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>> When running VMs, would it be better to run them
>> >> >> >> >>>>> in a separate partition rather than in the same partition
>> >> >> >> >>>>> as the hosting OS? Would the argument for or against
>> >> >> >> >>>>> be the same as putting data on a separate partition?
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> The partition you store your VHDs on makes no
>> >> >> >> >>>> difference at all. What makes a difference is storing
>> >> >> >> >>>> them on a disk that is separate from the disk that
>> >> >> >> >>>> your OS runs on and is as fast as you can manage.
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> It sounds like the same reason that one would
>> >> >> >> >>>put a swap file on another (and faster) HD. If so,
>> >> >> >> >>>I guess the outermost partition on the HD would
>> >> >> >> >>>be the best partition for VMs because it spins at a
>> >> >> >> >>>faster lineal speed than inner partitions and can
>> >> >> >> >>>therefore transfer data faster to and from cache?
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>*TimDaniels*
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> I don't think that would help much, could be worse.
>> >> >> >> >> Since your host OS is using the other partition, you're
>> >> >> >> >> going to have a lot head travel between partitions as
>> >> >> >> >> the host OS and VM are reading and writing.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> A better idea is to use a 2nd hard drive, internal or
>> >> >> >> >> external, if you want better VM performance.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I meant (and should have written) "on the 2nd HD",
>> >> >> >> >as in:
>> >> >> >> > "...a swap file on another (and faster) HD. If so,
>> >> >> >> > I guess the outermost partition on the [2nd] HD would
>> >> >> >> > be the best partition for VMs ..."
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Would you agree with that revised statement?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >*TimDaniels*
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Yes, I agree. I always try to have at least one extra drive for
> my
>> >> >> >> VMs. I try to spread the ones I use concurrently out across
>> > multiple
>> >> >> >> drives for best performance.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >> >> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
>> >> >> >> http://vpc.essjae.com/
>> >> >> >> I do not work for Microsoft.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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Vincent
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I got it... We need more than 4Gb to hold (at least) a VHD file into the
fat32-pen drive... That's why it wouldn't work on FAT32... isn't it? 'cause
its limit is 4gb filesize...
In a FAT32 pendrives I used up to 3gb files... so I never deal with that
problem. But it's good to know... thanks
Colin Barnhorst escribió en el mensaje de noticias
5F810B2C-AA4C-4724-8E7A-5F59344D7725@microsoft.com...
> It isn't the capacity of the device (FAT32 supports up to 137GB drives)
but
> the FILESIZE limitation. No one file can exceed 4GB. That is the rub
with
> a vm. Except for legacy OSs like Win98, a 4GB .vhd file is not generally
> useful. It is impossible for a Vista vm.
>
> "Vincent" wrote in message
> @TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >I guess... but it works... Maybe some benchmark could be used to
determine
> > speeds... (FAT vs NTFS)
> >
> > I think FAT32 can handle more than 8Gb.... ... can't...? It work with
> > external drives... FAT32, more than 32Gb without troubles... and using
> > Win98...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Colin Barnhorst escribió en el mensaje de
> > noticias
> > 7EC34BB7-58CB-4A74-B162-0F4F6F75A16E@microsoft.com...
> >> But the overhead for NTFS is high.
> >>
> >> "Vincent" wrote in message
> >> @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> > Actually they can be formatted with NTFS... I did it and works
fine....
> >> > You can even use NTFS compression... but it's a little slow... (I did
> >> > it...)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Colin Barnhorst escribió en el mensaje de
> >> > noticias
> >> > B3F756A7-ADE6-4AE7-BB06-E47E3DE36945@microsoft.com...
> >> >> The problem with flash drives is that they use FAT32 so regardless
of
> >> > their
> >> >> size (8, 16, 32) the file size limit is 4GB.
> >> >>
> >> >> "Vincent" wrote in message
> >> >> news:%23WPuLfcdIHA.5200@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> >> > What about using an external flash drive for the VHD? It has the
> >> >> > same
> >> >> > transfer speed than an external hard disk (USB 2.0) and could be
> >> >> > more
> >> >> > reliable 'cause it's not affected by shocks. Now we have 8 and 16
gb
> >> > flash
> >> >> > drives.... and could be used (I guess). It could be better (but
> >> >> > expensive)
> >> >> > to use the new SSD.. (solid state drives) which are prtty much the
> > same
> >> >> > technology than USB drives (Flash) but has better performance....
> >> >> > (so
> >> > they
> >> >> > said)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Steve Jain escribió en el mensaje de
> > noticias
> >> >> > lvhrr39qifko9t8ofu12ks6rn0a746ffu9@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:10:30 -0800, "Timothy Daniels"
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >"Steve Jain" wrote:
> >> >> >> >> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>"Paul Adare" wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>> Timothy Daniels wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> When running VMs, would it be better to run them
> >> >> >> >>>>> in a separate partition rather than in the same partition
> >> >> >> >>>>> as the hosting OS? Would the argument for or against
> >> >> >> >>>>> be the same as putting data on a separate partition?
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> The partition you store your VHDs on makes no
> >> >> >> >>>> difference at all. What makes a difference is storing
> >> >> >> >>>> them on a disk that is separate from the disk that
> >> >> >> >>>> your OS runs on and is as fast as you can manage.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> It sounds like the same reason that one would
> >> >> >> >>>put a swap file on another (and faster) HD. If so,
> >> >> >> >>>I guess the outermost partition on the HD would
> >> >> >> >>>be the best partition for VMs because it spins at a
> >> >> >> >>>faster lineal speed than inner partitions and can
> >> >> >> >>>therefore transfer data faster to and from cache?
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>*TimDaniels*
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I don't think that would help much, could be worse.
> >> >> >> >> Since your host OS is using the other partition, you're
> >> >> >> >> going to have a lot head travel between partitions as
> >> >> >> >> the host OS and VM are reading and writing.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> A better idea is to use a 2nd hard drive, internal or
> >> >> >> >> external, if you want better VM performance.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I meant (and should have written) "on the 2nd HD",
> >> >> >> >as in:
> >> >> >> > "...a swap file on another (and faster) HD. If so,
> >> >> >> > I guess the outermost partition on the [2nd] HD would
> >> >> >> > be the best partition for VMs ..."
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Would you agree with that revised statement?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >*TimDaniels*
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Yes, I agree. I always try to have at least one extra drive for
my
> >> >> >> VMs. I try to spread the ones I use concurrently out across
> > multiple
> >> >> >> drives for best performance.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >> >> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
> >> >> >> http://vpc.essjae.com/
> >> >> >> I do not work for Microsoft.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
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Mark Rae [MVP]
Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 386
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: separate partition for VMs? |
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"Vincent" wrote in message
news:%23TPJMridIHA.4728@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>I got it... We need more than 4Gb to hold (at least) a VHD file into the
> fat32-pen drive... That's why it wouldn't work on FAT32... isn't it?
> 'cause
> its limit is 4gb filesize...
>
> In a FAT32 pendrives I used up to 3gb files... so I never deal with that
> problem. But it's good to know... thanks
Not quite...
If you start off by creating a dynamic virtual hard disk on a FAT32 volume,
VPC will create additional files as required which will be seen as one
virtual hard disk by the guest OS
E.g. I have quite a few virtual machines running on Iomega REV drives which
use their own REV UDF file format, which also has a 4GB file size limit...
B:\>dir VB
Volume in drive B is REV 70
Volume Serial Number is 4487-106E
Directory of B:\VB
22/02/2008 15:50 4,294,966,784 VB Hard Disk.vhd
22/02/2008 15:50 12,356 VB.vmc
22/02/2008 15:50 4,294,966,784 VB Hard Disk.v01
22/02/2008 15:50 4,294,966,784 VB Hard Disk.v02
22/02/2008 01:33 875,810,816 VB Hard Disk.v03
5 File(s) 13,760,723,524 bytes
0 Dir(s) 43,373,015,040 bytes free
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Vincent
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Oh... good to know...
So, VPC do run fine on FAT32 with this scheme of multi-files... I think if
one of those files became corrupt or are accidentally erased that could
cause the virtual machine to hang up.... ??
I never turn off the virtual machine. Instead I save the state and the next
time I want to use the virtual machine I get to the same state... Once I
did a very stupid action... I share the disk (VHD) between two virtual
machines.... only one running at a time... all went fine until I just save
the state (Don't ask why I wanted to do this ) When I save the state on
the first machine and made changes on the second virtual machine, the disk
got corrupted.... Yeah... I didn't notice until I tried to open an old
database.... data dissapeared.... Panic! yes... I figure out that the first
virtual machine had the FAT map ok when it was running.... and the next time
that machine was restored it still has the FAT map in memory, but the disk
was modified by the seconrd virtul machine.... so the real fAT map was
changed... the first virtual machine has no idea and any change to the disk
was written accordingly the old FAT map... resulting in a real mess.... I
had a back up of the VHD
Mark Rae [MVP] escribió en el mensaje de noticias
#GgEOQjdIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> "Vincent" wrote in message
> news:%23TPJMridIHA.4728@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
> >I got it... We need more than 4Gb to hold (at least) a VHD file into the
> > fat32-pen drive... That's why it wouldn't work on FAT32... isn't it?
> > 'cause
> > its limit is 4gb filesize...
> >
> > In a FAT32 pendrives I used up to 3gb files... so I never deal with that
> > problem. But it's good to know... thanks
>
> Not quite...
>
> If you start off by creating a dynamic virtual hard disk on a FAT32
volume,
> VPC will create additional files as required which will be seen as one
> virtual hard disk by the guest OS
>
> E.g. I have quite a few virtual machines running on Iomega REV drives
which
> use their own REV UDF file format, which also has a 4GB file size limit...
>
> B:\>dir VB
> Volume in drive B is REV 70
> Volume Serial Number is 4487-106E
>
> Directory of B:\VB
>
> 22/02/2008 15:50 4,294,966,784 VB Hard Disk.vhd
> 22/02/2008 15:50 12,356 VB.vmc
> 22/02/2008 15:50 4,294,966,784 VB Hard Disk.v01
> 22/02/2008 15:50 4,294,966,784 VB Hard Disk.v02
> 22/02/2008 01:33 875,810,816 VB Hard Disk.v03
> 5 File(s) 13,760,723,524 bytes
> 0 Dir(s) 43,373,015,040 bytes free
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Mark Rae [MVP]
Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 386
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:16 am Post subject: Re: separate partition for VMs? |
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"Vincent" wrote in message %23odIHA.4728@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> So, VPC do run fine on FAT32 with this scheme of multi-files...
Yes.
> I think if one of those files became corrupt or are accidentally erased
> that could cause the virtual machine to hang up.... ??
I would imagine so...
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Paul Adare
Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 134
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: separate partition for VMs? |
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:16:12 -0700, Colin Barnhorst wrote:
> The problem with flash drives is that they use FAT32 so regardless of their
> size (8, 16, 32) the file size limit is 4GB.
As posted else where in this thread, this simply isn't the case. There's
always NTFS.
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