Cloning Virtual PC

Jason · Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Posts: 8

I have created a guest XP Pro pc. I would like to create two
additional XP Pro workstations.

Rather then having to create two new virtual pc and install the
software from scratch, is there a way to just duplicate the original
guest XP Pro pc two more times?

I have enough valid licenses to be able to support the setup I
require.

Thank you

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Steve Jain · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 835

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:51:58 -0800 (PST), Jason
wrote:

>I have created a guest XP Pro pc. I would like to create two
>additional XP Pro workstations.
>
>Rather then having to create two new virtual pc and install the
>software from scratch, is there a way to just duplicate the original
>guest XP Pro pc two more times?
>
>I have enough valid licenses to be able to support the setup I
>require.
>
>Thank you

Look at differencing disks in the VPC help, it will do exactly what
you want.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
I do not work for Microsoft.

Augusto Alvarez · Joined: 17 Feb 2008 Posts: 2

You can always use copy/paste on the VPC files. After that just run newsid
inside the new virtual machines, this will change the machines names and
changing all the security identifiers that are unique for every machine.

NewSid is a supported tool by Microsoft, so don't worry about using it.
Here's the link:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897418.aspx

Hope it helps

Cheers!

--
augusto alvarez | it pro | southworks
http://staff.southworks.net/aalvarez

"Jason" wrote in message @e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>I have created a guest XP Pro pc. I would like to create two
> additional XP Pro workstations.
>
> Rather then having to create two new virtual pc and install the
> software from scratch, is there a way to just duplicate the original
> guest XP Pro pc two more times?
>
> I have enough valid licenses to be able to support the setup I
> require.
>
> Thank you

Jason · Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Posts: 8

I'll have to try this. I think this is more to what I need. When
doing the copy paste, is it both the vmc and vhd file that I need to
copy/paste and I guess there would be nothing wrong with renaming them
so as to make it different from the original?

On Feb 17, 6:25 am, "Augusto Alvarez"
wrote:
> You can always use copy/paste on the VPC files. After that just run newsid
> inside the new virtual machines, this will change the machines names and
> changing all the security identifiers that are unique for every machine.
>
> NewSid is a supported tool by Microsoft, so don't worry about using it.
> Here's the link:http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897418.aspx
>
> Hope it helps
>
> Cheers!
>
> --
> augusto alvarez | it pro | southworkshttp://staff.southworks.net/aalvarez
>
> "Jason" wrote in message
>
> @e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >I have created a guest XP Pro pc. I would like to create two
> > additional XP Pro workstations.
>
> > Rather then having to create two new virtual pc and install the
> > software from scratch, is there a way to just duplicate the original
> > guest XP Pro pc two more times?
>
> > I have enough valid licenses to be able to support the setup I
> > require.
>
> > Thank you- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Timothy Daniels · Joined: 20 Feb 2008 Posts: 22

Does each simultaneously running VM get a unique MAC
address for the NIC, like a 'virtual MAC address for a
virtual NIC', or do they all use the MAC address of the
real NIC, thinking that they have sole use of it?

*TimDaniels*

"Bill Grant" wrote:
> A better idea is to copy the vhd file, rename it then create
> a new vm using that vhd.
>
> If you copy the .vmc file as well you will have additional
> "clone" problems, like duplicated MAC addresses for the NICs.
>
> "Jason" wrote:
> I'll have to try this. I think this is more to what I need. When
> doing the copy paste, is it both the vmc and vhd file that I need to
> copy/paste and I guess there would be nothing wrong with renaming
> them so as to make it different from the original?
>
>
> "Augusto Alvarez" wrote:
>> You can always use copy/paste on the VPC files. After that just
>> run newsid inside the new virtual machines, this will change the
>> machines names and changing all the security identifiers that are
>> unique for every machine.
>>
>> NewSid is a supported tool by Microsoft, so don't worry about
>> using it. Here's the link:
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897418.aspx
>>
>> Hope it helps
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> --
>> augusto alvarez | it pro | southworkshttp://staff.southworks.net/aalvarez
>>
>> "Jason" wrote:
>> >I have created a guest XP Pro pc. I would like to create two
>> > additional XP Pro workstations.
>>
>> > Rather then having to create two new virtual pc and install the
>> > software from scratch, is there a way to just duplicate the original
>> > guest XP Pro pc two more times?

Steve Jain · Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 835

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:41:21 -0800, "Timothy Daniels"
wrote:

>Does each simultaneously running VM get a unique MAC
>address for the NIC, like a 'virtual MAC address for a
>virtual NIC', or do they all use the MAC address of the
>real NIC, thinking that they have sole use of it?
>

A VM can't use the host MAC address, MAC's must be unique, otherwise
you run into all sorts of networking issues.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
I do not work for Microsoft.

Timothy Daniels · Joined: 20 Feb 2008 Posts: 22

> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
>
>>Does each simultaneously running VM get a unique MAC
>>address for the NIC, like a 'virtual MAC address for a
>>virtual NIC', or do they all use the MAC address of the
>>real NIC, thinking that they have sole use of it?
>>

"Steve Jain" replied:
>
> A VM can't use the host MAC address, MAC's must be unique,
> otherwise you run into all sorts of networking issues.

and
"Bill Grant" replied:
> If you create a new vm, it will have a different MAC address
> for its NIC. Neither vm will have the same MAC address as
> the host.
>
> Virtual Machine Network Services, which interacts with the
> device driver for the host NIC, delivers the network traffic to
> the correct OS based on the MAC address.
>
> For sending data, VMNS delivers the frame to be sent to
> the device driver of the physical NIC.

Thanks guys. That makes perfect sense.

*TimDaniels*

Jim Kay · Joined: 23 Feb 2008 Posts: 7

If you use a copied vhd, you still need to start the duplicated machine and
give it a different NETBIOS name. (Better yet, use that sysinternals tool
listed above.) If you try to run both the original and the copy, you'll have
a duplicate machine name on your network.

Joschka.

"Bill Grant" wrote in message %23S8jadIHA.5416@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> A better idea is to copy the vhd file, rename it then create a new vm
> using that vhd.
>
> If you copy the .vmc file as well you will have additional "clone"
> problems, like duplicated MAC addresses for the NICs.
>
> "Jason" wrote in message
> @i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> I'll have to try this. I think this is more to what I need. When
> doing the copy paste, is it both the vmc and vhd file that I need to
> copy/paste and I guess there would be nothing wrong with renaming them
> so as to make it different from the original?
>
>
> On Feb 17, 6:25 am, "Augusto Alvarez"
> wrote:
>> You can always use copy/paste on the VPC files. After that just run
>> newsid
>> inside the new virtual machines, this will change the machines names and
>> changing all the security identifiers that are unique for every machine.
>>
>> NewSid is a supported tool by Microsoft, so don't worry about using it.
>> Here's the
>> link:http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897418.aspx
>>
>> Hope it helps
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> --
>> augusto alvarez | it pro | southworkshttp://staff.southworks.net/aalvarez
>>
>> "Jason" wrote in message
>>
>> @e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> >I have created a guest XP Pro pc. I would like to create two
>> > additional XP Pro workstations.
>>
>> > Rather then having to create two new virtual pc and install the
>> > software from scratch, is there a way to just duplicate the original
>> > guest XP Pro pc two more times?
>>
>> > I have enough valid licenses to be able to support the setup I
>> > require.
>>
>> > Thank you- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>

Bill Grant · Joined: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 1094

A better idea is to copy the vhd file, rename it then create a new vm
using that vhd.

If you copy the .vmc file as well you will have additional "clone"
problems, like duplicated MAC addresses for the NICs.

"Jason" wrote in message @i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
I'll have to try this. I think this is more to what I need. When
doing the copy paste, is it both the vmc and vhd file that I need to
copy/paste and I guess there would be nothing wrong with renaming them
so as to make it different from the original?

On Feb 17, 6:25 am, "Augusto Alvarez"
wrote:
> You can always use copy/paste on the VPC files. After that just run newsid
> inside the new virtual machines, this will change the machines names and
> changing all the security identifiers that are unique for every machine.
>
> NewSid is a supported tool by Microsoft, so don't worry about using it.
> Here's the
> link:http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897418.aspx
>
> Hope it helps
>
> Cheers!
>
> --
> augusto alvarez | it pro | southworkshttp://staff.southworks.net/aalvarez
>
> "Jason" wrote in message
>
> @e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >I have created a guest XP Pro pc. I would like to create two
> > additional XP Pro workstations.
>
> > Rather then having to create two new virtual pc and install the
> > software from scratch, is there a way to just duplicate the original
> > guest XP Pro pc two more times?
>
> > I have enough valid licenses to be able to support the setup I
> > require.
>
> > Thank you- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Bill Grant · Joined: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 1094

If you create a new vm, it will have a different MAC address for its NIC.
Neither vm will have the same MAC address as the host.

Virtual Machine Network Services, which interacts with the device driver
for the host NIC, delivers the network traffic to the correct OS based on
the MAC address.

For sending data, VMNS delivers the frame to be sent to the device
driver of the physical NIC.

"Timothy Daniels" wrote in message @TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Does each simultaneously running VM get a unique MAC
> address for the NIC, like a 'virtual MAC address for a
> virtual NIC', or do they all use the MAC address of the
> real NIC, thinking that they have sole use of it?
>
> *TimDaniels*
>
> "Bill Grant" wrote:
>> A better idea is to copy the vhd file, rename it then create
>> a new vm using that vhd.
>>
>> If you copy the .vmc file as well you will have additional
>> "clone" problems, like duplicated MAC addresses for the NICs.
>>
>> "Jason" wrote:
>> I'll have to try this. I think this is more to what I need. When
>> doing the copy paste, is it both the vmc and vhd file that I need to
>> copy/paste and I guess there would be nothing wrong with renaming
>> them so as to make it different from the original?
>>
>>
>> "Augusto Alvarez" wrote:
>>> You can always use copy/paste on the VPC files. After that just
>>> run newsid inside the new virtual machines, this will change the
>>> machines names and changing all the security identifiers that are
>>> unique for every machine.
>>>
>>> NewSid is a supported tool by Microsoft, so don't worry about
>>> using it. Here's the link:
>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897418.aspx
>>>
>>> Hope it helps
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> --
>>> augusto alvarez | it pro |
>>> southworkshttp://staff.southworks.net/aalvarez
>>>
>>> "Jason" wrote:
>>> >I have created a guest XP Pro pc. I would like to create two
>>> > additional XP Pro workstations.
>>>
>>> > Rather then having to create two new virtual pc and install the
>>> > software from scratch, is there a way to just duplicate the original
>>> > guest XP Pro pc two more times?
>
>